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04-29-07, 02:04 PM
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| | 3 Tenths 
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When I initially read the thread I thought you meant a new Ford Le Mans entry!!! In may opinion a revamped forty already exists in the form of the Ford GT. Which will in 40 years probably being brought out in the form of a Replica!
I love my concept drawings but the car has to be as different as an original Forty was to a normal car of the day a Hillman Minx. In my opinion and I do not think it will fit the same chassis. A four seater GT40 is the option I would take. For the following reasons:-
1) It would take great imagination to make a body up with the GT40 ID but incorporating four seats.
2) It would make the car more practical! Not sure thats a good thing?
3) In 1967 Holman and Moody were tasked with making an enclosed Indy car and a four seater Forty but the money never come to fund these projects from Ford.
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04-30-07, 11:58 AM
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#82 (permalink)
| | fuoriserie A Tenth 
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Originally Posted by allanfeldman  When I initially read the thread I thought you meant a new Ford Le Mans entry!!! In may opinion a revamped forty already exists in the form of the Ford GT. Which will in 40 years probably being brought out in the form of a Replica!
I love my concept drawings but the car has to be as different as an original Forty was to a normal car of the day a Hillman Minx. In my opinion and I do not think it will fit the same chassis. A four seater GT40 is the option I would take. For the following reasons:-
1) It would take great imagination to make a body up with the GT40 ID but incorporating four seats.
2) It would make the car more practical! Not sure thats a good thing?
3) In 1967 Holman and Moody were tasked with making an enclosed Indy car and a four seater Forty but the money never come to fund these projects from Ford.
Regards Allan | I think I worded this thread wrongly, it should have been a new Gt40 inspired design, on a GT40 replica chassis.......will be careful next time.. 
My idea was to use an exhistig replica chassis, and rebody it with different shapes, but without doing changes to the chassis.
I like your idea of a 4dr. mid-engine GT40 inspired sportscar, being a new niche filled by the big car manufacturers.
Ferrari came close with this layout, the 80's Mondial 8, a 2+2 with a V8 mid-engine. | |
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04-30-07, 03:02 PM
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| | David Morton Lifetime Premier Supporter
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How about a three seater ?
A La McLaren F1 GTR penned by Gordon Murray...
I think France did a three seater as well - was it a Matra?
And the third seat could always a great luggage stowage as well...
The lines would generally then stay in sympathy with the -40. | |
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05-01-07, 10:34 AM
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#84 (permalink)
| | fuoriserie A Tenth
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Originally Posted by David Morton How about a three seater ?
A La McLaren F1 GTR penned by Gordon Murray...
I think France did a three seater as well - was it a Matra?
And the third seat could always a great luggage stowage as well...
The lines would generally then stay in sympathy with the -40. | David,
Not a bad idea, but would the third seat be a single seat in front of the other two just like the Mclaren, or behind the two front seats? | |
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05-01-07, 12:23 PM
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| | kenshiro8 I Have No Life
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btw, who draw the lines of mc laren f1?wasnt form the late 80's or am I wrong?
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05-01-07, 12:48 PM
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#86 (permalink)
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Sorry I called your concept drawings my by mistake fuoriserie.
There was two other three seater cars before the Mclaren F1. This was the one off Pininfarina 365P Berlinetta Speciale Ferrari of 1967. And as David mentioned a french car the Matra Bagheera. http://www.rootes-chrysler.co.uk/car...-bagheera.html
Regards Allan
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05-01-07, 02:16 PM
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#87 (permalink)
| | fuoriserie A Tenth
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Originally Posted by kenshiro8 btw, who draw the lines of mc laren f1?wasnt form the late 80's or am I wrong? | Paolo,
It was Peter Stevens, and had the luck to meet him at Geneve Motor show in 2002. Nice bloke and a very good designer
He loves Fiat 500's...and we spoke about them for 20 minutes., he also designed one for himself and a few friends, the 595 barchetta....
check his new website: http://www.peterstevensdesign.co.uk/mclaren.htm | |
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05-01-07, 02:22 PM
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#88 (permalink)
| | fuoriserie A Tenth
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Originally Posted by allanfeldman Sorry I called your concept drawings my by mistake fuoriserie.
There was two other three seater cars before the Mclaren F1. This was the one off Pininfarina 365P Berlinetta Speciale Ferrari of 1967. And as David mentioned a french car the Matra Bagheera. http://www.rootes-chrysler.co.uk/car...-bagheera.html
Regards Allan | No problem Allan.....
I always liked the Bagheera and the later Murena, both very good looking sportscars.
The seating position would be interesting, but you would have to redesign the inner chassis......
Good feedback and ideas. | |
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05-01-07, 02:34 PM
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My problem with a three seater especially abreast would be its practicality especially if you incorporate any form of GT40 design. The cut in doors would leave you not being able to park anywhere as the car would be too wide!!
Regards Allan | |
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05-01-07, 02:54 PM
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| | fuoriserie A Tenth
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Originally Posted by allanfeldman My problem with a three seater especially abreast would be its practicality especially if you incorporate any form of GT40 design. The cut in doors would leave you not being able to park anywhere as the car would be too wide!!
Regards Allan | I agree with you on the three seats abreast solution, but maybe two up front and one at the rear....but then a 2+2 solution could make more sens in this case.....
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05-01-07, 03:29 PM
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| | fuoriserie A Tenth
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05-01-07, 04:29 PM
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| | David Morton Lifetime Premier Supporter
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Fuoriserie,
I was a passenger in the Matra and found it tres uncomfortable so I would favour the F1 GTR arrangement. Having sat in the Schnitzer car in 97 (it didn't have anything but the drivers seat) the position in the centre is just superb. A four seater ? - forget it as I really don't think there is room without spoiling the demeanour and sheer 'hard man' look of the gt40. | |
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05-01-07, 04:33 PM
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| | David Morton Lifetime Premier Supporter
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Peter Stevens could clearly think 'outside the box' and a three seater car
in the F1 GTR configuration amply demonstrates that. That really marks peole like that as 'extreme' in the design world. There are all sorts of wonderful ideas that havent been thought of yet. It just takes a radical designer to unravel it in his mind and then comitt it to paper.  Any way, you need two passenger seats - one for 'her indoors' and the other for the other 'her outdoors'  .
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05-01-07, 07:01 PM
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| | aero 3 Tenths 
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There was a Lambo prototype that had the 3 abreast seating layout with the center (driver's) seat jutting out in front a little bit, but I can't remember what model. It was from the late 60's or 70's. Anyone else remember?
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05-02-07, 07:40 AM
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05-09-07, 11:41 AM
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| | fuoriserie A Tenth
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Originally Posted by Feracitus apparently something on my works pc, at home now and pics show just fine, real nice work on those sketches pal! keep up on it! | Thanks,
Just a few, very rough sketches for the fun.............. | |
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05-10-07, 09:40 AM
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| | oteymus
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I know this is blasphemy, but I was thinking of building the Cadillac Cien on an adjusted GT40 chassis. I mean a tube frame, not a replica. I know the magnitude of this project and I'm already hearing the skepticism about the concept, but I hope there is a sympathetic ear out there somewhere. What do you guys think? | |
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05-10-07, 12:42 PM
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| | fuoriserie A Tenth
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Originally Posted by oteymus I know this is blasphemy, but I was thinking of building the Cadillac Cien on an adjusted GT40 chassis. I mean a tube frame, not a replica. I know the magnitude of this project and I'm already hearing the skepticism about the concept, but I hope there is a sympathetic ear out there somewhere. What do you guys think? | The Cien is a very nice design, but the proportions will be totally different, because the GT40 has a shorter wheelbase.
You would have to redesign it over the GT40 chassis, and see how it looks, reworking most of the design.
It can be done, so why not!
Do it ....
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05-10-07, 01:39 PM
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