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Old 12th February 2018, 03:43 PM   #61
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Re: Coyote or SBF

I don't know about Tom using a laptop but I can imagine him in his Saturday Night Fever bell bottoms cutting the rug in his garage listening to the BeeGees! Ha

I'm confused, are we talking mutable or immutable Maps? What is recursion anyway? I hope my old brain doesn't burn out anytime soon or I'll be living under a bridge in a van(with a carburetor).

private Object deepCopy(Object object) {
try {
if(object instanceof Boolean) return new Boolean(((Boolean) object).booleanValue());
if(object instanceof String) return new String(object.toString());

if(object instanceof Map) {
ImmutableMap.Builder builder = ImmutableMap.builder();
Map entries = (Map)object;
entries.forEach((key, value) -> builder.put(key, deepCopy(value)));
return builder.build();
}

return null;
}
catch (Exception e) {
e.printStackTrace();
return null;
}
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Old 13th February 2018, 08:41 AM   #62
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All I know is that when I hit 55, I stopped being interested in technology. I want my old mercury thermostat back. I don't want a car that beeps at me every time I do something it doesn't like. If I want to watch a movie, I miss the anticipation of running down to Blockbuster and renting a movie. It would be much better if my teenage daughter got a phone call on the home phone that was hanging on the wall in the kitchen so that, as a parent, I would be able to monitor who she's talking to and for how long.
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Old 13th February 2018, 03:57 PM   #63
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Re: Coyote or SBF

I love and embrace technology, but I also enjoy the contrast of no-tech and simplicity when appropriate.

Hey Mike (aka "Java Boy"), 30 yrs ago it was Angel Flights and King of the Hustle! Now it's mostly Metal. LOL BTW, left you a message last night....answer the phone, beeyotch!

All kidding aside, I think a point that javaboy is trying to make (in a roundabout way), is that technology, the programmers, the hardware/software, firmware/software upgrades, all cost time and a ton of money. If you're going with a Coyote or newer engine, seriously consider your budget that goes with the basic cost of the engine/ECU/wiring package. Engine tuning, switchable calibration files and the dyno time that goes with it, the heavy Ricardo transaxle sticking out back to handle the extra power, and so on, will cost you more money.
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Old 13th February 2018, 06:33 PM   #64
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I'm starting to re-think the Weber EFI thing. I was looking into it more today and what I'm finding is that real cost by the time you buy everything needed and have some tuning time on a dyno, you can be looking at $7-8K just for the induction setup. Plus the engine has to be built just right to work with the downdraft setup.

Versus a Holley carb and intake for about $1200. More to think about.
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Old 13th February 2018, 08:26 PM   #65
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Again, since I’m basically building a modern car and I’m leaning a modern power plant.

Today’s Saleen supercars don’t have carbs.

I’m 59 years old and still like grunge and maybe a little Chevelle (the band), age or musical preference tells you only how you feel.

I want a replica GT40 but only in body style and interior. I think performance and handling will speak for themselves. If I had the money, I’d go twin turbos and 750 hp!

Haha, I can barely afford an in line 6. This is a work in progress.
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Old 13th February 2018, 09:46 PM   #66
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Sorry, and to each their own but I have never understood the whole GT40 resto mod attraction? If you want to turn some nondescript 66 Fairlane into a resto mod then go for it. Why go for an approach that says I'm going to upgrade half the components on a iconic 1960s race car to modern spec but leave the rest i.e. 1960s aero dynamics and less the optimal weight distribution to start with? Mine with a little bitty alloy block 302 and ZF was still very close to 70/30 rear bias. You put a huge Coyote and a Ricardo in there and that thing is going to be evil nearing the limits.

Build a GT40 as a GT40. If you want modern chassis bits and engine management then build a modern car... say like a GT-R with a Coyote and Ricardo! That would be sweet!! I would just have some private off forum conversations with current customers before I wrote the check...
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Old 13th February 2018, 09:47 PM   #67
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Java boy is calling you now. Answer damnit! haha

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I love and embrace technology, but I also enjoy the contrast of no-tech and simplicity when appropriate.

Hey Mike (aka "Java Boy"), 30 yrs ago it was Angel Flights and King of the Hustle! Now it's mostly Metal. LOL BTW, left you a message last night....answer the phone, beeyotch!

All kidding aside, I think a point that javaboy is trying to make (in a roundabout way), is that technology, the programmers, the hardware/software, firmware/software upgrades, all cost time and a ton of money. If you're going with a Coyote or newer engine, seriously consider your budget that goes with the basic cost of the engine/ECU/wiring package. Engine tuning, switchable calibration files and the dyno time that goes with it, the heavy Ricardo transaxle sticking out back to handle the extra power, and so on, will cost you more money.
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Old 13th February 2018, 10:17 PM   #68
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Sorry, and to each their own but I have never understood the whole GT40 resto mod attraction? If you want to turn some nondescript 66 Fairlane into a resto mod then go for it. Why go for an approach that says I'm going to upgrade half the components on a iconic 1960s race car to modern spec but leave the rest i.e. 1960s aero dynamics and less the optimal weight distribution to start with? Mine with a little bitty alloy block 302 and ZF was still very close to 70/30 rear bias. You put a huge Coyote and a Ricardo in there and that thing is going to be evil nearing the limits.

Build a GT40 as a GT40. If you want modern chassis bits and engine management then build a modern car... say like a GT-R with a Coyote and Ricardo! That would be sweet!! I would just have some private off forum conversations with current customers before I wrote the check...

Like I said, this is a work in progress and Iím a few years away from a power plant. Iíll probably change my mind 100 times.

After seeing the coyote gt40 with the 8 stacks, it was pretty sexy.

Iím working on my suspension. I donít even have a body yet. Chassis and suspension is all Iím working on now. I have no idea what it will be when completed. Iíve only had the chassis one month.

Cut me a ďlittleĒ slack
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Old 13th February 2018, 11:02 PM   #69
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Like I said, this is a work in progress and Iím a few years away from a power plant. Iíll probably change my mind 100 times....Cut me a ďlittleĒ slack
Naw, we're not cutting you any slack. LOL

You are years away from a powerplant, so this discussion is a waste of time. In a few years you'll be considering newer than Coyote technology like perhaps electric "crate" motors and a CV transmission to go with it. ;-)
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Old 14th February 2018, 12:28 AM   #70
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Cut me a "little" slack.
Pick one or the other.

Don't put a coyote in a GT40.
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Old 14th February 2018, 08:24 AM   #71
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...after carefully and in great detail trying to explain the nuances of a non-original GT40 to some half interested neophyte, [you] will begin to question the dogma and associated costs that drives the originality debate.

Which is exactly why I don't lose any sleep over my choice of EFI or SBF vs LS/Coyote, or RCR vs SPF (well, budget actually made that choice for me).

I agree completely with Mike, build YOUR car the way you want it and let that make you happy. If you're worried about resale or someone else's perceived value or opinion of your car, then build it the way you think they'd want it. Otherwise, pick the path of your personal desire.

Regardless of which brand, if they know what it is, everyone will assume it's a kit car (How many originals are out there being driven on the streets aside from Jim's?). If they don't know, it will be the first question you're asked. There are brands (like the one I bought) which will never be mistaken for originals... Make it your own, and make it what you want.

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