I am progressing with my Southern Gt Build, I have now come to where I need Headlights. Mick at Southern said that Mark 1 Escort are what I need but are unobtainable. I have been told that Renault 12 would do, but I am having difficulty with them as well. One ray of light came from Hella/Cibe I spoke to Robert who said get me the long "E" number (Not just E11) it should have 6/8 numbers. If I can provide that, then he could track down what I need. Can anybody help with this detail please, even the long number from a Mark 1 Escort might help as well. Or what are the forum using to get past this difficulty.
 
Thanks Ian, is there a model number that I should quote as I see in the picture some of the headlights are round.
 

Ian Anderson

Lifetime Supporter
Honestly not sure, but if you say for a GT40 they will know what they are, and can also do the mounting brackets

Ian
 
Could not get the Viva ones as they were a bit well used, settled for Saab 99 ones, look very good and the correct size.
 

Shaun

Supporter
Got mine from a guy in Australia NOS from Mk1 Escort then used Micks brackets, think they are being remade over here now but as I recall not hugely expensive form down under
 
eBay France. Search Renault R12 phare (light). Marchal (now Valeo) and Cibie are both available both convex and concave fronts. R2 and R4 bulbs. Just search until you find what you need. Most sellers will ship internationally. you can get the dimensions off this site by searching. The glass lense measures 230mm x 120mm.
 
Some partnumbers here:
Headlight for the Renault 12.
Original Cibie.
Part number: 0870030600, 7701018877, 7701018875.
But these are LHD which I installed.
Install priciple is the same as the original. 1 spring and 2 adjusters + a pivot point to obtain the richt angels.
I did not use the original frames as they are too big to fit in the body. at least in a GTD with KVA thick body. I also could get hold of a Headlamp measuring device to position the lamps already were they need to be and adjust them afterwards.

Rgds Curt
 
maybe in Romania as the dacia 1300 is a copy of the renault 12 and has been build long after the renault 12 was discontinued. on my last trip to romania I saw many still being used. so maybe new lights are still around.
 
Some partnumbers here:
Headlight for the Renault 12.
Original Cibie.
Part number: 0870030600, 7701018877, 7701018875.
But these are LHD which I installed.
Install priciple is the same as the original. 1 spring and 2 adjusters + a pivot point to obtain the richt angels.
I did not use the original frames as they are too big to fit in the body. at least in a GTD with KVA thick body. I also could get hold of a Headlamp measuring device to position the lamps already were they need to be and adjust them afterwards.

Rgds Curt
You fitted LHD units.
I got some renault 12 units but now been informed they are for LHD. Wondering if i'll still be able to use them, can i not just turn them upside down
 
Depends on the optics of the specific light you have. My Marchals are left/right and change by move the bulb which changes the optics. Turning your light upside down will most likely make it point at the ground. You will have to do the research to figure out if they can be used or not.
 
Depends on the optics of the specific light you have. My Marchals are left/right and change by move the bulb which changes the optics. Turning your light upside down will most likely make it point at the ground. You will have to do the research to figure out if they can be used or not.
Lee, information seems to be thin on the ground, i'v tracked down where they came from but even then theres little to go on.
I have read that moving the bulb round can change the optics.
 
I have never seen a headlamp that could be used upside down. The lens is full of prisms that direct & focus the beam pattern (in conjunction with the reflector) in a precise way.

Some headlamps had a 'flat top dip' pattern without the 'kick up' that illuminates the kerb when on dipped beam. I had a 1991 American Ford Ranger & it's flat top dip was fine in the UK for the MOT test. I believe some old French cars had 'flat top dip' too but it was always rare to see headlights like this when I was doing MOT tests in the dim & distant past.

Most old headlamps will have a clearly visible diagonal prism feature on one side of the centre, a clear indication there are lh & rh traffic versions.

Please see the pictures on this link, the beam pattern goes very wrong if you turn your screen upside down !

 
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