Audi 6 speed transaxles
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I f anyone is interested please get in touch and i can send pics and details.
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I sent you a PM, because your email address is not listed in your profile. I'm about to pull the trigger on an 01E transaxle from a guy in Germany so please let me know what you have available as soon as possible.
I f anyone is interested please get in touch and i can send pics and details.
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I sent you a PM, because your email address is not listed in your profile. I'm about to pull the trigger on an 01E transaxle from a guy in Germany so please let me know what you have available as soon as possible.
I called Mark, and discussed the box a bit more.
The castings have the following numbers
01X301453A,
01X301315D
01X301103
I assume these are generic castings though.
On both the top & the bottom it has been stamped 'FYA 0021' (the group of numbers are the serial number I think).
In the uk the 01E is a 4wd box, and this 01X is a 2wd box from an A6 and a B6 A4 according to the Bentley manual. Since B6's haven't been around for too long it would concur that this is a 2003 on box.
You should be able to get the ratios from the FYA code, although I've not managed to find that yet.
Mark tells me he has been selling these boxes to guys in France for use in kit cars, and had no complaints so far.
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
John.
The castings have the following numbers
01X301453A,
01X301315D
01X301103
I assume these are generic castings though.
On both the top & the bottom it has been stamped 'FYA 0021' (the group of numbers are the serial number I think).
In the uk the 01E is a 4wd box, and this 01X is a 2wd box from an A6 and a B6 A4 according to the Bentley manual. Since B6's haven't been around for too long it would concur that this is a 2003 on box.
You should be able to get the ratios from the FYA code, although I've not managed to find that yet.
Mark tells me he has been selling these boxes to guys in France for use in kit cars, and had no complaints so far.
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
John.
I'm not familiar with the 01X, but based on the lack of case reinforcement around the output flanges compared to the 01E, it doesn't look as stout as the 01E. Hard to evaluate strength without information on R&P size, input shaft construction, and offset between input shaft and main shaft. The gearbox cover is much shorter than the 01E, and the end shield is much longer than the 01E. Overall, this transaxle appears to be longer than the 2WD 01E.
Mark,
can you give me dimensions for the important stuff, like overall box length, driveshaft centre to mounting face length, input shaft to driveshaft offset, etc.
I am heading tothe dealers on Saturday and with a bit of luck might be able to make a few mesurements on a new 01X gearbox.
Whether it is as stout or not I can't be sure, but the S4 B6 engine puts out about 344 bhp, and the previous B5 v6 turbo'd version have been chipped up to around 400bhp without any gearbox problems.
Cheers,
John.
can you give me dimensions for the important stuff, like overall box length, driveshaft centre to mounting face length, input shaft to driveshaft offset, etc.
I am heading tothe dealers on Saturday and with a bit of luck might be able to make a few mesurements on a new 01X gearbox.
Whether it is as stout or not I can't be sure, but the S4 B6 engine puts out about 344 bhp, and the previous B5 v6 turbo'd version have been chipped up to around 400bhp without any gearbox problems.
Cheers,
John.
Mark,
I'm not so sure the 01X is any longer than the 01E.
Compare the picture of the 01X you've posted above to the pictures on this site of an 01E ==> http://elektro.cmhnet.org/~charlie/photos/cars/01E/trans.html
(looks like a very useful site to me)
The main and centre part look to be very similar to me. The tail section looks longer, but then the pictures are for a quattro box, so I would expect that.
I've checked the gearboxes for A4, A6, and A8 cars on the Audi parts disk, and they all use 01E boxes between 1997 and 2000 (the B5 shape A4).
The disk doesn't cover the B6 shape so I can't check that.
By the way, this makes interesting reading too ==> http://elektro.cmhnet.org/~charlie/photos/cars/01E/v8info
Cheers,
John.
I'm not so sure the 01X is any longer than the 01E.
Compare the picture of the 01X you've posted above to the pictures on this site of an 01E ==> http://elektro.cmhnet.org/~charlie/photos/cars/01E/trans.html
(looks like a very useful site to me)
The main and centre part look to be very similar to me. The tail section looks longer, but then the pictures are for a quattro box, so I would expect that.
I've checked the gearboxes for A4, A6, and A8 cars on the Audi parts disk, and they all use 01E boxes between 1997 and 2000 (the B5 shape A4).
The disk doesn't cover the B6 shape so I can't check that.
By the way, this makes interesting reading too ==> http://elektro.cmhnet.org/~charlie/photos/cars/01E/v8info
Cheers,
John.
My comment above about A4/A6/A8 all using 01E boxes is misleading. I forgot to add that while this is true, the gearboxes appear to be different depending on what engine they were mated to, and again this comes back to the FYA code.
I assume these boxes need an adapter plate to fit to the SB engine. Any ideas if there are different adapters available for the different boxes ?
Cheers,
John.
I assume these boxes need an adapter plate to fit to the SB engine. Any ideas if there are different adapters available for the different boxes ?
Cheers,
John.
Here's the 2WD 01E box I bought just today. It's an ELN out of a VW Passat with only 12,00 km, and I got it for 750 Euros (plus shipping, which I'm still working on). The gearbox cover is cast iron, like the 016, and is fastened to the case. The gearbox cover in the 01E is definitely larger than the 01X. It sure looks to me like the 01X is longer, especially the end shield. Maybe the gears are wider? It certainly has more ribbing, and more ribbing implies a stronger case, although it appears to me to be intended to reinforce the transaxle mounting points. Again, it's hard to make judgements based just on an exterior photo. If the 01X is indeed used in a 330 hp, 4,000-lb Audi, it may well be stronger than an 01E and more than enough for most small block Ford V8s. Audi/Getrag seems to have continuously improved the 01E box over the years. Maybe I'll give Heinz Kluge a call and ask his opinion.
Interesting.
My info says the DHW is a 5 speed, came from a 96 on passat, 97 on A6, and 96 on A4, but gives it a code of 012...
I assume this was the box used with the 2.4l & 2.8l engines.
Anyway, you've brought your box now, and I have one on the way too, so no point in worrying over this one, eh /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Cheers,
John.
My info says the DHW is a 5 speed, came from a 96 on passat, 97 on A6, and 96 on A4, but gives it a code of 012...
I assume this was the box used with the 2.4l & 2.8l engines.
Anyway, you've brought your box now, and I have one on the way too, so no point in worrying over this one, eh /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Cheers,
John.
Measurements as requested.
Length 70cm
Width between flanges 27cm
distance from centre of diff flange to front face bellhousing 18cm
WEIGHT 56.6 kg
Ratios using the "what goes in to what comes out" method are roughly:
1st 12.8:1
2nd 7.4:1
3rd 4.9:1
4th 3.7:1
5th 2.8:1
6th 2.3:1
As most modern 6 speed transmissions have a 6th gear ratio of 0.65 i would guess that the ring and pinion are 3.5 : 1 approx.
Hence the gear ratios will be approx:
1st 3.65
2nd 2.12
3rd 1.3
4th 1.05
5th 0.8
6th 0.65
Obviously i stand to be corrected but these should be near enough.
Length 70cm
Width between flanges 27cm
distance from centre of diff flange to front face bellhousing 18cm
WEIGHT 56.6 kg
Ratios using the "what goes in to what comes out" method are roughly:
1st 12.8:1
2nd 7.4:1
3rd 4.9:1
4th 3.7:1
5th 2.8:1
6th 2.3:1
As most modern 6 speed transmissions have a 6th gear ratio of 0.65 i would guess that the ring and pinion are 3.5 : 1 approx.
Hence the gear ratios will be approx:
1st 3.65
2nd 2.12
3rd 1.3
4th 1.05
5th 0.8
6th 0.65
Obviously i stand to be corrected but these should be near enough.
I took some pictures of my box at the weekend (an 01E out of an RS4), but my laptop is playing up so I can't upload them at present.
Anyway, from the picture of the 01X box above, I can say that the bellhousing is the same as for the 01E gearboxes. I spoke with an Audi Tech and he confirmed they appear to have simply changed some of the numbers to be generic.
(Note that the 012 is different.)
For the centre and rear cases the picture above appears to be different to the 012 and 01E.
It looks like the centre case is shorter than before and the tail longer. Therefore the overal length is still probably the same. The centre case also appears to be alloy, and it is cast iron on the 01E/012.
So, given that the bellhousing is the same, I would expect the diff casing and components to be the same. The comment about it not looking as strong to the 01E is a bit strange, but I assume this is because the picture is of the rhs of the box, whereas the picture of the lhs looks much stronger as it has the diff cover plate...
Finally, European passats use both the 012 (5 speed), and the 01E (6 speed), but this depends on which engine/model as the 6 speed is/was not fitted to all models.
John.
Anyway, from the picture of the 01X box above, I can say that the bellhousing is the same as for the 01E gearboxes. I spoke with an Audi Tech and he confirmed they appear to have simply changed some of the numbers to be generic.
(Note that the 012 is different.)
For the centre and rear cases the picture above appears to be different to the 012 and 01E.
It looks like the centre case is shorter than before and the tail longer. Therefore the overal length is still probably the same. The centre case also appears to be alloy, and it is cast iron on the 01E/012.
So, given that the bellhousing is the same, I would expect the diff casing and components to be the same. The comment about it not looking as strong to the 01E is a bit strange, but I assume this is because the picture is of the rhs of the box, whereas the picture of the lhs looks much stronger as it has the diff cover plate...
Finally, European passats use both the 012 (5 speed), and the 01E (6 speed), but this depends on which engine/model as the 6 speed is/was not fitted to all models.
John.
Which 01E to order for RF40 kit? In looking at the great links listed above it looks like the 01E 300 044 L is for the 2wdA8. Is this the right one? What are the ratios for this box? I see it is code CYB which I cannot cross on the ratio sheet. Is there a better/stronger 01E to look at?
I just found the XL sheets done by Mark W. Cheers Mark this must have taken some time.
Still interested in opinions.
I just found the XL sheets done by Mark W. Cheers Mark this must have taken some time.
Still interested in opinions.
If it's a CYB then the ratios should be included on the spreadsheet I posted (thanks for the compliment, BTW). Generally speaking, the 2WD 01E trnsaxles all have very good gear ratios. As far as I can tell, the best "factory" 01E box is the EKN, as it was used in the heaviest car (the A8) and is the only 2WD 01E transaxle that is outfitted with an oil pump. Again, generally speaking, Getrag has steadily improved the 01E boxes over time, most notably by using a wider fifth gear in later models. Accordingly, I would prefer to have a DQS model because it was introduced in the A6 in 1998, over the older ARX model, which was used in the A6 from 1995 to 1997. And although the parts database doesn't specify metallurgical differences in the transaxles, I would think that if one is indeed stronger than the other, then the strongest boxes would've been used in the heavier A8s. The A8s used CYB, EKN, and FRM boxes.
it'll be tricky to find an A8 box in the uk Davey, as A8's here all came with auto boxes.
you will have more luck finding an A6, A4 or Passat box, unless you look in mainland Europe.
Best bet is to try the vag specialist breakers.
Bear in mind though the possible problems with SVA if you use a second hand or recon gearbox. Generally from what I understand they don't like more than the engine to being s/h (from what I've been told anyway). Might be worth checking this before you go buying anything.
Cheers,
John.
you will have more luck finding an A6, A4 or Passat box, unless you look in mainland Europe.
Best bet is to try the vag specialist breakers.
Bear in mind though the possible problems with SVA if you use a second hand or recon gearbox. Generally from what I understand they don't like more than the engine to being s/h (from what I've been told anyway). Might be worth checking this before you go buying anything.
Cheers,
John.
