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29th April 2012, 07:29 AM
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| | jimbo Silver Supporter 
Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Annapolis, MD GT40: Mark VI, #1149
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| country of origin
See SCM this month. Here's a question: who here thinks the GT40 (not the Mark IV, the Marks I-III) are English cars, and who here thinks they are American? (full disclosure, I think they are English cars)
If this is the wrong place for this question, please move to the correct field, thanks.
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29th April 2012, 09:55 AM
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| | Brian Magee Bronze Supporter 
Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Newbury England GT40: GTD
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| Re: country of origin
If the car needed a passport, then country of birth would be England. Or would it have dual nationality? So to my mind it is English or possibly Anglo-American but NOT American.
Brian.
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29th April 2012, 10:11 AM
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| | Grandpa Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2004 GT40: Stafford Virginia USA
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| Re: country of origin
Always an intesting question:
Ford GT
Funding - US
Chassis design and construction - UK
Body Design - US
Engine - US
Jaguar XJR-5
Funding - UK
Chassis/Body Design and construction - US
Engine - UK
So if the Ford GT is English, then by the same reasoning the Jaguar XJR-5 is American.
I go with Anglo American for both.
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29th April 2012, 10:39 AM
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| | Big-Foot Super Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kenyon, MN GT40: RCR40 - #45
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| Re: country of origin
Put me with Gramps...
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30th April 2012, 12:47 PM
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| | Mark Pickford Bronze Supporter
Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ENGLAND GT40: GT40 Arch Rival
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| Re: country of origin
An English design, developed in England using American money. Anglo-American. | |
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30th April 2012, 02:52 PM
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| | Jim Craik Lifetime Premier Supporter
Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Saratoga, CA GT40: P2264
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| Re: country of origin
How about the P-51 Mustang?
Funded by the UK
Designed in the US
Constructed in the US
Power from UK
It has always been considered a US aircraft, but........................
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30th April 2012, 03:11 PM
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| | iank2112 10 tenths
Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Diego, CA GT40: none yet
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| Re: country of origin
Anglo-American
Ian
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30th April 2012, 03:24 PM
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| | Igofaster 4 Tenths
Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Rocklin CA GT40: SPF GT P2265
Posts: 491
| Re: country of origin
Like the Cobra....Anglo-American.
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30th April 2012, 03:49 PM
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| | Jim Craik Lifetime Premier Supporter
Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Saratoga, CA GT40: P2264
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| Re: country of origin
This all makes perfect sense to me, I wonder why there was ever a question?
My Dad came over from Scotland, I guess that makes me Anglo-American as well 
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30th April 2012, 04:00 PM
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| | grp2viva A Tenth
Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Devon, England
Posts: 179
| Re: country of origin
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Craik  How about the P-51 Mustang?
Funded by the UK
Designed in the US
Constructed in the US
Power from UK
It has always been considered a US aircraft, but........................ | Power from UK but made in the US by Packard, and Ford....
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30th April 2012, 04:29 PM
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| | tractorboy 9 Tenths
Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA GT40: CAV # 82
Posts: 945
| Re: country of origin
 I'm voting English. English designer, etc....plus most are right hand drive! | |
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30th April 2012, 05:38 PM
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| | jimbo Silver Supporter
Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Annapolis, MD GT40: Mark VI, #1149
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| Re: country of origin
Kudos for mentioning Packard, who built more than 50K engines for P51s, to modified RR drawings.
A RHD P51 Mustang? You amaze me. Perhaps I misunderstand
GT40- Anglo/American at least, if not entirely Anglo. I thought about a comparison with, for example, Bizzarrini, and Morgan- Bizzarrinis have Chevy and Ford engines, and modern Morgans have BMW engines, but it doesn't exactly hold up- the GT40 program was begun at the behest of Americans at FoMoCo who wanted to race internationally, and that impetus is a substantial part of the American part of the A/A parentage.
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1st May 2012, 01:36 PM
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| | ibisona
Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK
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| Re: country of origin
bit newer
How about the AgustaWestland Apache
Funded by the UK
Designed in the US
Constructed in the UK
Power from UK/F
It has always been considered a US helicopter, | |
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1st May 2012, 11:54 PM
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| | Mike S. A Tenth
Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: California GT40: none
Posts: 171
| Re: country of origin
Ah but some P-51s had Rolls Royce engine & turned backwards (danged Engilsh don't know which side of the road to drive on either LOL) An interesting side note. The English carrousels or Roundabouts as they call them turn counter clockwise too (backwards)
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2nd May 2012, 11:19 AM
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| | Brian Magee Bronze Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Newbury England GT40: GTD
Posts: 547
| Re: country of origin
Mike,
It is only the Foreigners who come over here who don't know which side of the road to drive on, we know. As for driving counter clockwise around roundabouts (or islands as they are known in the midlands) well that would be interesting having to cross to the WRONG side of the road to do it.
Brian.
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2nd May 2012, 12:44 PM
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| | Veek Silver Supporter
Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Windermere, FL GT40: CAV
Posts: 1,119
| Re: country of origin
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Pickford An English design, developed in England using American money. Anglo-American. | Ahem, I think Carroll Shelby may take credit for a significant part of the development as did Ford. The smartest thing Shelby did was make Carroll Smith(USA) Team Manager. He recruited Shelby American chief engineer Phil Remington(USA) and driver Ken Miles(UK) to reengineer the cars. John Wyler(UK) continued at Ford Advanced Vehicles assembling the cars from sub-contracted parts.
Early on, Broadley's(UK) design was put to wind tunnel tests at the University of Maryland. Ford engineers redesigned the body to fit specified chassis dimensions. Air scoops were put on both sides (also found on the 1962 Mustang I Ford developed.) Originally the scoops were to duct air into side mounted radiators. Not enough air entered the scoops to make a difference for the radiators, so they were redesigned to cool the rear brakes.
For the MKII in addition to Shelby American, Ford enlisted the help of big block stock car winners, Holman & Moody(USA), and Alan Mann(UK). Ford's Kar Kraft tested all the 427 engines and drive trains for reliability.
The thing is Anglo-American
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