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Road Charging petition

UK Guys
please sign the anti Road Charging petition to change Government policy.

Click the link below.

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Scrap the planned vehicle tracking and road pricing policy.

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This has been running for some time now and has just started gaining momentum. I just heard on the news that there are now 150 signatures a minute going on.

Currently, there are just over a million signatures to this and already the Govt are running scared of the issue. It was deliciously described by a journalist today as: The Poll Tax on Wheels! Brilliant! (This was the tax system that helped to bring Thatcher down, for the benefit of non UK members)

Tories have already pledged to scrap the idea and so I think that finally, the down trodden much abused peasantry are making their voices heard...

It's about time. It's only taken a thousand years for these buggers to take any notice of us.....
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Another Petition:
Save the Red Arrows : We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Continue funding for the Royal AIr Force Aerobatics Team - The Red Arrows.
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Signed the anti-road charging one 2 days ago.
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Wow! Well spotted Dave. These buggers will destroy almost everything that we can take pride in, and they've got to go some - need at least .5 mil before they'll take notice and so far only 8,500 or so but we've got until July. Will get it distributed.....

I notice Brown has got time to promote the World (soccer) Cup coming here no doubt heavily subsidised by the British taxpayer - who needs it?
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I signed it and thanks for putting it up
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..does this means prime minister is trying to keep to ground the mithical Red arrows in their red Hawks?...is possible?

...if down here we try to say -A- to "frecce Tricolori" will be at once civil war.
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se è buono per il morale, il divertimento, o sexy, i politici lo proibiranno.
Unless it's football or the preparing us for the debacle of debt that will be the olympics.
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se è buono per il morale, il divertimento, o sexy, i politici lo proibiranno.
Look, I know you like him and all that but isn't that better said in a PM?
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I 'tried' to say if it's good for your morale (read morals?) Sexy or funny then our government will ban it.
Sort of lost in translation ?
Jesus, I hate soccer,synchronized swimming and funny walking but thats going to be shoved down our throats once this Olympic thing bankrupts us.
Anyway guys - if you've got a UK postcode and havent signed up for these petitions - please do it and tell everybody in your house no matter how old (or young) to do it as well. For the youngsters it will affect them sooner than they think.
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Hi Guys

this government has lost control, last weekend two Essex towns on Saturday night had one Police man on duty for each town, and they were sat behind desks inside their respective Police Stations. They were looking after the security of 70,000 residents between them?

As this government was elected as being strong on policing and security?

Mathematically if this was mirrored across the country we would only need 2000 police men on the night duty. Then say three shifts a day + 25% on leave or sick giving a total police force of just 10,000 Police for the entire country. I say well done to the Police chief in Essex please share your management skills with
John Read then he would not need to build all those new prisons.

It could be of course that this incredible saving on man power is being redirected in paying for the overspend on the Olympics.

The lunatics are now truly running the asylum.

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United Kingdom 149,012
North East 6,859
North West 17,296
Yorkshire and the Humber 11,234

East Midlands 8,490
West Midlands 12,429

East 9,703
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South East 15,381
South West 9,576

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Sad but true. Here in the Thames Valley area it's not even policemen in the station but civilian clerks. The police stations are shut from 17:00 hrs. and they've all gone home.
What is especially strange is that whenever the weather is nice, the plods are all out doing speed traps - many on overtime.
It's pointless complaining - your card is marked if you do.
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Guys, you're missing the point - we got cameras now....

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For those of you without a UK address to sign the petition herewith the answer from President Blair!

I read that although 1.8million signatures were attached he will go ahead and it will happen - just not on his watch!

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E-petition: Response from the Prime Minister
The e-petition asking the Prime Minister to "Scrap the planned vehicle tracking and road pricing policy" has now closed. This is a response from the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.

Thank you for taking the time to register your views about road pricing on the Downing Street website.

This petition was posted shortly before we published the Eddington Study, an independent review of Britain's transport network. This study set out long-term challenges and options for our transport network.

It made clear that congestion is a major problem to which there is no easy answer. One aspect of the study was highlighting how road pricing could provide a solution to these problems and that advances in technology put these plans within our reach. Of course it would be ten years or more before any national scheme was technologically, never mind politically, feasible.

That is the backdrop to this issue. As my response makes clear, this is not about imposing "stealth taxes" or introducing "Big Brother" surveillance. This is a complex subject, which cannot be resolved without a thorough investigation of all the options, combined with a full and frank debate about the choices we face at a local and national level. That's why I hope this detailed response will address your concerns and set out how we intend to take this issue forward. I see this email as the beginning, not the end of the debate, and the links below provide an opportunity for you to take it further.

But let me be clear straight away: we have not made any decision about national road pricing. Indeed we are simply not yet in a position to do so. We are, for now, working with some local authorities that are interested in establishing local schemes to help address local congestion problems. Pricing is not being forced on any area, but any schemes would teach us more about how road pricing would work and inform decisions on a national scheme. And funds raised from these local schemes will be used to improve transport in those areas.

One thing I suspect we can all agree is that congestion is bad. It's bad for business because it disrupts the delivery of goods and services. It affects people's quality of life. And it is bad for the environment. That is why tackling congestion is a key priority for any Government.

Congestion is predicted to increase by 25% by 2015. This is being driven by economic prosperity. There are 6 million more vehicles on the road now than in 1997, and predictions are that this trend will continue.

Part of the solution is to improve public transport, and to make the most of the existing road network. We have more than doubled investment since 1997, spending £2.5 billion this year on buses and over £4 billion on trains - helping to explain why more people are using them than for decades. And we're committed to sustaining this investment, with over £140 billion of investment planned between now and 2015. We're also putting a great deal of effort into improving traffic flows - for example, over 1000 Highways Agency Traffic Officers now help to keep motorway traffic moving.

But all the evidence shows that improving public transport and tackling traffic bottlenecks will not by themselves prevent congestion getting worse. So we have a difficult choice to make about how we tackle the expected increase in congestion. This is a challenge that all political leaders have to face up to, and not just in the UK. For example, road pricing schemes are already in operation in Italy, Norway and Singapore, and others, such as the Netherlands, are developing schemes. Towns and cities across the world are looking at road pricing as a means of addressing congestion.

One option would be to allow congestion to grow unchecked. Given the forecast growth in traffic, doing nothing would mean that journeys within and between cities would take longer, and be less reliable. I think that would be bad for businesses, individuals and the environment. And the costs on us all will be real - congestion could cost an extra £22 billion in wasted time in England by 2025, of which £10-12 billion would be the direct cost on businesses.

A second option would be to try to build our way out of congestion. We could, of course, add new lanes to our motorways, widen roads in our congested city centres, and build new routes across the countryside. Certainly in some places new capacity will be part of the story. That is why we are widening the M25, M1 and M62. But I think people agree that we cannot simply build more and more roads, particularly when the evidence suggests that traffic quickly grows to fill any new capacity.

Tackling congestion in this way would also be extremely costly, requiring substantial sums to be diverted from other services such as education and health, or increases in taxes. If I tell you that one mile of new motorway costs as much as £30m, you'll have an idea of the sums this approach would entail.

That is why I believe that at least we need to explore the contribution road pricing can make to tackling congestion. It would not be in anyone's interests, especially those of motorists, to slam the door shut on road pricing without exploring it further.

It has been calculated that a national scheme - as part of a wider package of measures - could cut congestion significantly through small changes in our overall travel patterns. But any technology used would have to give definite guarantees about privacy being protected - as it should be. Existing technologies, such as mobile phones and pay-as-you-drive insurance schemes, may well be able to play a role here, by ensuring that the Government doesn't hold information about where vehicles have been. But there may also be opportunities presented by developments in new technology. Just as new medical technology is changing the NHS, so there will be changes in the transport sector. Our aim is to relieve traffic jams, not create a "Big Brother" society.

I know many people's biggest worry about road pricing is that it will be a "stealth tax" on motorists. It won't. Road pricing is about tackling congestion.

Clearly if we decided to move towards a system of national road pricing, there could be a case for moving away from the current system of motoring taxation. This could mean that those who use their car less, or can travel at less congested times, in less congested areas, for example in rural areas, would benefit from lower motoring costs overall. Those who travel longer distances at peak times and in more congested areas would pay more. But those are decisions for the future. At this stage, when no firm decision has been taken as to whether we will move towards a national scheme, stories about possible costs are simply not credible, since they depend on so many variables yet to be investigated, never mind decided.

Before we take any decisions about a national pricing scheme, we know that we have to have a system that works. A system that respects our privacy as individuals. A system that is fair. I fully accept that we don't have all the answers yet. That is why we are not rushing headlong into a national road pricing scheme. Before we take any decisions there would be further consultations. The public will, of course, have their say, as will Parliament.

We want to continue this debate, so that we can build a consensus around the best way to reduce congestion, protect the environment and support our businesses. If you want to find out more, please visit the attached links to more detailed information, and which also give opportunities to engage in further debate.

Yours sincerely,

Tony Blair
Further information
Both the 10 Downing Street and Department for Transport websites offer much more information about road pricing.

This includes a range of independent viewpoints, both for and against.

You can also read the Eddington Report in full.

You can reply to this email by posting a question to Roads Minister Dr. Stephen Ladyman in a webchat on the No 10 website this Thursday.

There will be further opportunities in the coming months to get involved in the debate. You will receive one final e-mail from Downing Street to update you in due course.

If you would like to opt out of receiving further mail on this or any other petitions you signed, please email optout@petitions.pm.gov.uk
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It appears that according to Mr.Blair congestion is what he is trying to solve. People cause congestion, so maybe the U.K. should change it's immigration policy and stop importing people? Just a thought.

I also found his comment "one way to solve the problem is to do nothing"
interesting, successive Governments in Australia have been excellent at "doing nothing" about infrastructure for years. IT DOES NOT WORK.
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Yeah, re: Ian, that's exactly what he took several hundred words to say the patronising little s***. Hilariously, it came into my mailbox as a

SPAM WARNING "Message from No. 10"

Microsoft, I take it all back, you are spot on...
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scheme /skim/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[skeem]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciationnoun, verb, schemed, schem·ing. –noun 1.a plan, design, or program of action to be followed; project. 2.an underhand plot; intrigue. 3.a visionary or impractical project. 4.a body or system of related doctrines, theories, etc.: a scheme of philosophy. 5.any system of correlated things, parts, etc., or the manner of its arrangement. 6.a plan, program, or policy officially adopted and followed, as by a government or business: The company's pension scheme is very successful. 7.an analytical or tabular statement. 8.a diagram, map, or the like. 9.an astrological diagram of the heavens. –verb (used with object) 10.to devise as a scheme; plan; plot; contrive. –verb (used without object) 11.to lay schemes; devise plans; plot.

It's all in the words and how you use them. See 2 and 3 above.
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