Bar stool economics.

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
Bar Stool Economics


Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. “Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.” Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men—the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?
They realised that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.
“I only got a dollar out of the $20,”declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, “But he got $10!”
“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I did!”
“That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!”
“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison, “we didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!”
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up any more. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.


Dr David R. Kamerschen
Professor of Economics
University of Georgia
For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.


 
see if you can spot the guy on this thread who owns race horses, a ferrari, and a gorgeous GT40 that he readily admits he didn't lift a finger on except to pick up the pen to sign the cheques. That said, I don't begrudge him any of this and he would always be welcome to buy me beer. Ha ha. Lucky bugger.

Good story though, and so true. I personally love paying a stack of taxes, it means I am earning a stack of money. Next thing to do is roll it all into a business, buy a GT40 and claim it as a legit expense so that it appears I am actually making no money. It is a work in progress.

JW
 

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
Not quite true Jack, I did do quite a lot of work on the car as well as writing the cheques.
However, I agree with you, pay your taxes with joy, it means you are doing O.K.

The point of the story is the people who benefit most from the tax's paid by the more affluent in society seem to also be the ones who are most eager to beat up on them.

I suspect there is a little of that in you also with all respect, hence the jibe about race horses and Ferrari's.

You forgot to mention that I also support over 70 people by employing them. They also pay their taxes.
 
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Too true Pete about the people who have a go at those doing well for getting bigger tax cuts. However, I would like to remind you that I did mention that I don't begrudge you any of your toys. Jealous? yes. Bitter and Angry? Hell no. My jibe stems not from feeling aggrieved at higher tax payers getting bigger tax cuts (I am actually all for that), my jibe stems from nothing more than just being a cheeky little bastard. I say keep up the great work. Better still, add a Lamborghini. Or a Porsche GT3. I was driving around the Grand Prix track here at Albert Park in the red one featured in this months Wheels magazine the other day. It was awesome. God knows I would.

Also I know in your 70 people, you employ an utterly useless friend of mine who would be virtually unemployable anywhere else, which almost makes you eligible to be registered as a charity. ha ha. Just kidding, but you can tell him I said that.

Pete, I love the jokes you post, I particularly liked the lawyer thread (my wife is a lawyer). They all have an element of truth to them. This one is no exception.
 

Peter Delaney

GT40s Supporter
Pete, that's a good one - how true !

I love the guy's punch line :

"For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible."

The other thing that the purveyors of the "politics of envy" are conveniently unaware of, is the the amount of charity funds provided by the "top end of town" - usually on an anonymous basis.

Yes, the "nay-sayers" will point out that there is a tax deduction involved - BUT these guys could just as easily put the money under the bed (or worse still, left it to their spoiled-brat children to squander) !

At the end of the day, if we were all rendered equal in an instant, it would only take a day or 2 for the entrepreneuarial types to poke their heads above the morrass, & life would proceed as usual.

Kind Regards,

Peter D.
 

Malcolm

Supporter
I like the story Pete. To make it work in the UK you need to alter it a bit. Can you change the $20 saving to a $20 rise in cost/tax (but you can still call it a tax reduction if you like, as our Chancellor does)? I think the story may end the same in that the 10th guys leaves all the same.
 
Well said, Pete, and right on the money. In fact, here in the states, a few of those guys drinking for free actually DO get paid, in the form of tax 'rebates'. I am unable to understand how you can qualify for a 'rebate' if you didn't pay anything in the first place, but I guess I'm just ignorant and can't see the 'big picture'. As you say, I happily (well, maybe not exactly 'happily') pay mine, and they're not nearly as high as yours...although that might change in the next year???
Good on ya,
Mike
 

Russ Noble

GT40s Supporter
Lifetime Supporter
Pete,

I'm sure you'll empathize with this statement....

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.:confused:

Cheers
 

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
Pete,

I'm sure you'll empathize with this statement....

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.:confused:

Cheers

Right on Russ,
As I said previously, I understand I have to pay tax, what annoys me is paying tax on a tax, fuel for instance.
Before it gets to the pump our government charges an excise on fuel, (a tax) then when you pay for it they charge a 10% Goods and services tax, and you pay for it with money you have paid income tax on.

So you are taxed at least three times for the same litre of fuel.

Talk about ripped off:mad:
 
Interesting read, Pete.

I love the tax system in this country. The harder you work, the more you are penalised.
Working in one of the highest taxed industries, (road transport) the greed of our state governments in particular absolutely astounds me.
 
Somebody has to pay the salaries of all those useless bureaucrats, Danny, and they have to do aggrivating things to make it look like they're working. It's a viscious cycle!

Mike, your comment about tax rebates to those who didn't pay any tax in the first place is a good one. It reminds me of how when Bill Clinton was president, and we had a budget surplus (due to the dot com bubble), he and his wife talked about how it wouldn't be a good idea to "spend" some of that surplus by "giving" it back to the taxpayers. The rhetoric was as if they had no clue that the surplus originated from the pockets of the taxpayers, and that a rebate would actually be an expense. The hubris of the tax-and-spend left has never failed to amaze me.
 
Great post, Pete! Here's to the overburdened wealthy and our value to society!rockonsmile

Now, having just moved back to the US from London I have to add this for my British friends. The guy who was beat up would wait six months to see a doctor for treatment. He wouldn't be able to work, but council taxes would still be due and they would toss him in jail for not paying. While in jail, his tv license would expire and he would receive a penalty fine of £1,000.

See, the UK isn't too much different than the US which isn't that much different from Australia!
 

Steve Briscoe

Lifetime Supporter
You forgot to mention that I also support over 70 people by employing them. They also pay their taxes.

Pete, good point. I have about 150 and the tax generated is staggering. This economic story is not only funny but it's realistic - good one!

Steve
 
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