F1 2010

Major seat reshuffles, starting with full tanks, slight tyre size adjustments and more races than ever before.

Hopefully there will be a British GP and maybe, just maybe, the return of some classic events.

Lots to look forward to!
 

Keith

Moderator
Does that mean a good calendar for the Dilemma thread?

Ian

Ha ha - one would certainly hope so. There have been some F1 Pit Popsies I have seen briefly on TV that er, I'd like to see, er, more of for sure... :thumbsup:

I was just posting the 2011 F1 tyre supplier.

Unless, of course, you know different, which y'all usually do... :laugh:
 

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
1. I don't think Sauber should be worried about getting a pair of slots for 2010.
After Toyota pull out (highly likely next weekend) the little one will welcome Sauber with open arms.
2. Red Bull have elected to keep on keeping on with Renault power.
3. Some silly rumours about DC getting a drive for 2010. I can't think what he
wants to prove.
 

Keith

Moderator
Ha! There'll be one mad Nip if that's true.

Renault just about cost RB the championship this year with their failures trying to keep up with

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Couldn't get them for next year of course, I don't think Ferrari would play and Cosworth of course are, ahem, new boys.

DC is just pissed about RB's success this year, but according to Horner, he's still "on the books"

No doubt there will be many more changes before we kick off in March. Who wants to bet the British GP will go to Disneyland in Paris in 2010? :!blank:

(Best the BRDC could do to try and match Asbo Debbie)
 
It will be interesting to see what Speed's Peter Windsor gets done with the new US F1 team based in North Carolina (NC). Having lived in and around the Oxford / Bicester / Silverstone area in England where March and a few other companies were located I now find myself contemplating retirement in the NC area. I don't anticipate any US drivers for a while but the US needs to get more involved in F1. I'm glad Peter has taken the torch and I'll wish him luck now. No idea as yet about which engines he'll be using though. Anyone.....
 

Charlie Farley

Supporter
After 65 odd years, surely its about time the the US ' invaded ' Europe again.
We would more than welcome US participation once again.
Bring on the hotdogs and donuts.

:thumbsup:
 
It will be interesting to see what Speed's Peter Windsor gets done with the new US F1 team based in North Carolina (NC). Having lived in and around the Oxford / Bicester / Silverstone area in England where March and a few other companies were located I now find myself contemplating retirement in the NC area. I don't anticipate any US drivers for a while but the US needs to get more involved in F1. I'm glad Peter has taken the torch and I'll wish him luck now. No idea as yet about which engines he'll be using though. Anyone.....

Ha...we are closing the state to any new comers. I-40 has once again been sealed (major rock slide) through the gorge from those who try to drive in from California. All Interstates through the mountains, and Asheville in particular, do not have exits. Fuel cost have risen due to the socialist take over of the state legislature and their increasing need for tax money (highest in the south). We have no more flat ground, but we do get to drink the water first (48 inches so far) before releasing it downstream. There is talk about succession from the state of NC and formation of WNC, or maybe take up with that state of Franklin (see State of Franklin) thing again. I think we can out gun those flat landers this time.

Boy I'm glad to see some talk about F1. I didn't want to wait that long. Is Canada on or off? last time I checked, no ticket info was available
Grady
 

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
Yesterday I alluded to Toyota leaving F1 next weekend. However they have made the announcement today. How sad really as I have some good friends based over in Köln with the team.

This report is from the Daily Mail today:


Cash-strapped Toyota announce their withdrawal from Formula One


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By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 10:22 AM on 04th November 2009

Toyota today confirmed they are pulling out of Formula One with immediate effect for financial reasons.
The announcement was made at a media conference in Tokyo by a tearful Toyota Motor Corporation president Akio Toyoda.



The world's largest car maker is now the third major manufacturer to withdraw from F1 in the space of 11 months after Honda and BMW.

Toyota's departure continues the exodus of Japanese companies from motor sport as Subaru and Suzuki withdrew from the World Rally Championship prior to this season.

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No laughing matter: Akio Toyoda announces Toyota's withdrawal from F1 while team principal Tadashi Yamashina breaks down in tears


In motorbikes, Kawasaki pulled out of MotoGP, and on Monday tyre manufacturer Bridgestone announced they will not be renewing their supply contract in F1 after next season.
A statement read: 'Toyota Motor Corporation (TMC) announces it plans to withdraw from the FIA Formula One World Championship at the end of the 2009 season.


'TMC, which had viewed its participation in F1 as contributing to the prosperity of automotive culture, remained dedicated to competing at the pinnacle of motor sports, even in the face of the abrupt economic changes that started last year.

'However, when considering TMC's motor-sports activities next year and beyond from a comprehensive mid-term viewpoint reflecting the current severe economic realities, TMC decided to withdraw from F1.


'TMC leaves F1 having compiled 13 podium and 87 point finishes over eight challenging seasons since 2002 with Panasonic Toyota Racing, a full-constructor
team.

'It views its time in F1 - in which teams put forth their best efforts to fiercely compete at racing's highest level - as an irreplaceable experience that provided an opportunity to develop both human resources and its R&D operations.
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Last hurrah: Toyota's Jarno Trulli celebrates his second place at the Japanese Grand Prix last month

'TMC expresses its deepest appreciation to its F1 fans and others for their warm support. TMC also wants to express its heartfelt gratitude to all Panasonic Toyota
Racing drivers to date, and to all Toyota Motorsport employees who have helped
make the team's achievements possible.

'TMC intends to do its best to find a solution for those parties who will be affected by any inconvenience this decision may cause.
'Drawing on its experience in F1 and other motor sports, TMC intends to move forward in developing exciting production vehicles, such as the Lexus 'LFA' supercar and compact rear-wheel-drive sports cars.
'In motor sports, it will not only race in various categories, but will also actively contribute to further development of motor sports by supporting grassroots races and planning events in which it is easy for people to participate.'
Speculation surrounding Toyota's future was rife throughout the year, in particular after the parent company announced the worst financial losses in its history in March.

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Final bend: Toyota's Kamui Kobayashi at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix

Further significant losses are expected to be revealed tomorrow, and this has forced Toyoda, grandson of the company's founder, and his board of directors to act.

In July, and due to the global financial crisis, Toyota-owned Fuji International Speedway confirmed they would not host the Japanese Grand Prix next year.

However, Toyota signed a new Concorde Agreement with motor sport's governing body, the FIA, over the summer, tying them to Formula One through to 2012. It appeared at that stage any doubts as to their future had been erased.

Toyota's departure does at least open the door for Sauber to take up the now vacant 13th position on the grid.
After BMW confirmed their own withdrawal from the sport at the end of July, with their final race the inaugural Abu Dhabi Grand Prix on Sunday, it left Sauber fighting for survival.
They were eventually taken over by Qadbak Investments Ltd in mid-September, just hours after Lotus were awarded the 13th slot.
The FIA agreed to the possibility of 14 teams competing in F1 next season on the proviso of there being unanimous agreement from all the other marques, which was not forthcoming.

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Team-mates no more: The injured Timo Glock (left) was replaced by Kamui Kobayashi

It left Sauber playing an anxious waiting game these past few weeks, one that is finally over in the wake of Toyota's exit.
Following a strong start to the season, Toyota went on to finish fifth in this year's constructors' championship.
However, since their arrival in F1 in 2002 they failed to win a grand prix in 140 attempts, with the team's best result the back-to-back second places by Jarno Trulli in Malaysia and Bahrain in 2005.

It leaves drivers Trulli, Timo Glock and Kamui Kobayashi in limbo, although it was expected neither the veteran Italian nor the German would be re-signed.

Toyota's decision is particularly hard on Kobayashi who had driven superbly in the final two races in the absence of the injured Glock.

That led to Toyota Motorsport boss John Howett confirming in Abu Dhabi on Sunday the Japanese was '70 to 80% certain' of being given a contract for next year.

Just three manufacturers now remain in F1 - Ferrari, Mercedes-Benz and Renault - with the focus likely to switch to the latter in light of their previously precarious circumstances.


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Keith

Moderator
What goes around etc. Apart from Ferrari - Renault, Mercedes & the British "Garagistas" have a long association with the sharp end of F1. The big money brought in by global car manufacturers kind of clouded the view of the "sport" IMO and thus provided Bernie with the springboard he needed to create this glittering "Empire" which has much to do with his diminutive staure and nowt to do with racing.

How have these massive budgets helped? Not at all, again IMO. These ludicrous spending levels have kept newcomers out and fresh talent is the lifeblood of any entity. The kind of financial commitment made by Toyota was probably more to do with oriental "face" than any intellectual decision to compete at the highest level and thus F1 has been chasing it's tail far too long and needs a clean sweep.

Like the so-called "credit crunch" it didn't take a genius to work out that sustained investment at Toyotas level could never ever have been able to be sustained (and made doubly easy since Hondas demise).

Sorry for the guys in Koln.

Yeah yeah - hindsight I hear you say, but non! I have ever felt the same about this and any other "sport" where the participants are paid millions ££$$$'s to achieve Sweet F*** All.
 

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
1. Pirelli dit 'Non'.
2. Gascoyne ackquired a wind tunnel model of Force India's car and copied it and
made a Lotus from it, allegedly.
 

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
By secretly acquiring a wind tunnel model, secretly copying it to drawings and just changing a tiny insignificant aspect in your drawings makes it an almost impossible case to bring unless there was a proof of it happening and a paper chase throughout.
How many times did a bar of wet soap put into a wind tunnel become a shape which became known as the Ford Sierra. It was only Ford who decided to make it and call it a Sierra. Everyone else probably got almost identical results but didn't do anything about it. What I'm trying to say that most wind tunnels will produce similar results and to prove a copy is almost impossible.
 
Keith. I agree completely with your comments.

The major Manufacturers (BMW, Ferrari, Renault, Toyota, Honda) did very little to enhance F1 as a pure form of motor sport, rather, they tried to turn the sport into our equivalent of the Football Premier League.
The lure of big money is hard for anyone to resist, especially the little man who pulls many, many strings.

Surely the inauguration (as it must be called thus) of Jean Todt as the head of the FIA proves the French phrase "Plus ca Change plus la meme chose"...

Sod all changes when there are 8 zeroes involved.

I LOVE F1, always have and probably always will. All I want is parity between all concerned. Is it any wonder that Ron Dennis persued "outside interests" after the Max Mosley whitchunt...

Anyway, thats my 2 pence worth...
 

Keith

Moderator
By secretly acquiring a wind tunnel model, secretly copying it to drawings and just changing a tiny insignificant aspect in your drawings makes it an almost impossible case to bring unless there was a proof of it happening and a paper chase throughout.
How many times did a bar of wet soap put into a wind tunnel become a shape which became known as the Ford Sierra. It was only Ford who decided to make it and call it a Sierra. Everyone else probably got almost identical results but didn't do anything about it. What I'm trying to say that most wind tunnels will produce similar results and to prove a copy is almost impossible.


Copying? Plagiarism?

En F1? Mais non.. Êtes-vous certain monsieur? Ceci ne peut pas être ainsi. Veuillez vérifier votre M. de faits….

Napoleon l'a confirmé. C'est vrai.
 

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
Renault have announced they will be racing in 2010. Ghosn and Caubet expect improvements in the standards and results of the team.
 
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