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Old 24th August 2012, 10:03 PM   #21
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Re: How can Special Interest Car Enthusiasts be Liberal Politically??

Mr Hardy,

You continually say you do not understand US politics.

You say you cant tell truth from a lie.

You say "As a foreigner, how can I tell what is "mindless" and "one sided?"

If those things are true then stay the fuck out of it!

If that is true why in your total ignorance do you defend anyone, why a lier?

Why in your total ignorance do you pull the "Musim" card.
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Old 24th August 2012, 10:27 PM   #22
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Re: How can Special Interest Car Enthusiasts be Liberal Politically??

Q: How can Special Interest Car Enthusiasts be Liberal Politically??

A: In my opinion, most politically liberal special-interest car enthusiasts either inherited or married into the money needed to buy the car of their dreams. Limousine liberals, trustifarians, etc. I would bet that Mr. Craik falls into one of these categories. He's talked about how smart his wife is yet he has trouble assembling a grammatically correct sentence himself.
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Old 24th August 2012, 11:18 PM   #23
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Re: How can Special Interest Car Enthusiasts be Liberal Politically??

Conservatives are always arguing for state's rights. With that you get 50 different sets of car registration laws. Is that good or would we be better off with one federal standard like most countries? I suppose we could get a bad federal standard, but having to pass SEMA laws in 50 states is a real headache too. Ever have to buy your own health insurance and then try to carry it to another state? Most states don't allow this and good luck getting health insurance in a new state with pre existing conditions.
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Old 24th August 2012, 11:27 PM   #24
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Re: How can Special Interest Car Enthusiasts be Liberal Politically??

Mr Worthington,

You have proven over and over that you do not know what you are talking about!

Here you jump in to remind us one again of that fact. Its really no ones business, but since you brought it up in such a condescending way........................

My father was a Pan Am Filght Engineer and later a Station Chief on Wake and Canton Island. A good job but hardly something to make trust funds. My Mom was a housewife.

I did inherit a townhouse in Mountain View, which I still have as a rental.

My Wife is the smartest person I ever met, she is the COE of a High tech Marketing Firm and does very well.

That said, except for 2008 when I had colon cancer and missed several months work, I have always made more, each and every year. I have my own company and work 10 th 14 hours a day and do very well! I live on 15 acres in Saratoga Village with views of all the Silicon Valley. When I spill champaigne off my deck it runs into Larry Ellisons yard.

Now as you know I am blessed with the gift of Dyslexia, and it is a gift.

The down side is I can't remember how to spell, I can't remember peoples names and I can't remember most math............7x8= ? I have no idea and I can't remember the alphabet. But the biggest down side is I have to put up with little shits like you!

The up side is most Dyslexics are Very, Very smart! One thing Dyslexics get is alot of IQ tests. They say "your smart you could remember this if you tried" over and over we have heard this from folks like you. We have no trouble talking, but our hands do not always write the letter or hit the key we want.

We tend to be big picture people. I get paid for my opinion, I get paid very well and I turn down work almost every day!

Here are a few others with the gift of Dyslexia:

Alexander Gram Bell
Leonargo De Vinci
Albert Einstein (like me he flunked the 4th grade, his teachers thought he was retarded)
Thamas Edison
Jackie Stewert (who can't remember the words to God Save The Queen)
Richard Branson
Henery Ford
Winston Churchill
Ted Turner
Paul MacCready
Pierre Curie
Charles Schwab (Who like me can't remember the Alphabet)
Bill Hewlet
Nelson Rockefeller

There are many many more.

Alright Mr Worthington, I have had life time of little shits like you, you think you are so smart.

Alright big talker, I have $1,000 that says I beat you in an IQ test (you pick the test) and another $1,000 that says I made more income than you last year.

Alright big talker put up or shut up!
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Re: How can Special Interest Car Enthusiasts be Liberal Politically??

Dyslexic narcissism!
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Old 25th August 2012, 12:14 AM   #26
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Re: How can Special Interest Car Enthusiasts be Liberal Politically??

But of course, narcissism is just as much a gift as dyslexia! :~)
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Old 25th August 2012, 12:18 AM   #27
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Conservatives are always arguing for state's rights. With that you get 50 different sets of car registration laws. Is that good or would we be better off with one federal standard like most countries? I suppose we could get a bad federal standard, but having to pass SEMA laws in 50 states is a real headache too. Ever have to buy your own health insurance and then try to carry it to another state? Most states don't allow this and good luck getting health insurance in a new state with pre existing conditions.

The beauty of states rights is that ideas can be experimented with on a state basis. The good ideas get adopted while the bad are allowed to die off without the entire country going down with the experiment.

Unfortunately, California is such a large car market that manufacturers are forced to accommodate their radical demands whether they like it or not.
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Old 25th August 2012, 12:20 AM   #28
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Re: How can Special Interest Car Enthusiasts be Liberal Politically??

Mr Fechter,

You must be aware by this time, I won't allow things I care about to be slandered unfairly.
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Old 25th August 2012, 12:20 AM   #29
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Q: How can Special Interest Car Enthusiasts be Liberal Politically??

A: In my opinion, most politically liberal special-interest car enthusiasts either inherited or married into the money needed to buy the car of their dreams. Limousine liberals, trustifarians, etc. I would bet that Mr. Craik falls into one of these categories. He's talked about how smart his wife is yet he has trouble assembling a grammatically correct sentence himself.
Sounds like he's a kept man! ;~(
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Is anger a gift?
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Old 25th August 2012, 07:02 AM   #31
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Is anger a gift?
If that be true, Jim is an extraordinarily gifted man in more ways than one.

Chill out dude - get a sense of humour. Show me where I played the museum card?

Anyway, time to put your IQ to the test. What does DNA stand for?
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Alright big talker, I have $1,000 that says I beat you in an IQ test (you pick the test) and another $1,000 that says I made more income than you last year.

Alright big talker put up or shut up!
IQ test question:

Challenging an anonymous person over the Internet to an IQ test in a political thread in the Paddock section of an auto forum makes the challenger appear less intelligent. True or False?
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A tad whimsical, 'tis quite true, but almost certainly as mad as a box of frogs.
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Old 25th August 2012, 02:57 PM   #34
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A: In my opinion, most politically liberal special-interest car enthusiasts either inherited or married into the money needed to buy the car of their dreams. Limousine liberals, trustifarians, etc. I would bet that Mr. Craik falls into one of these categories. He's talked about how smart his wife is yet he has trouble assembling a grammatically correct sentence himself.

Guys I was replying to this post, he made degrading statements about me by name that are far from true (except for the sentence part) then he brought in my wife and my parents into the mix.

Yes I was pissed, I thought I would set him straight. How would you react?
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Can't say, I'm totally ignorant and have to stay the fuck out of it....

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Mr Fechter,

You must be aware by this time, I won't allow things I care about to be slandered unfairly.
You actually think you're bad ass don't you.
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Guys I was replying to this post, he made degrading statements about me by name that are far from true (except for the sentence part) then he brought in my wife and my parents into the mix.

Yes I was pissed, I thought I would set him straight. How would you react?
You not only named my wife, you listed my address. I have enough self control to not make an ass out of myself. Some people need to act out I guess. I hope all this is cathartic for you, you certainly need it.
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I have enough self control to not make an ass out of myself.
Really, LB?

IMHO, I think you've historically done a bang-up job of doing just that!

....but, that's not why I called

I read your original post in this thread before there was even one response, but I wasn't sure I could answer...but want to give it a try now.

I don't see classic-car ownership as a liberal vs. conservative issue at all. Most of my car-crazy friends when I was young were dirt poor just like me, we sat around and drooled at the Hot Rod magazines just like the son of the owner of the only bank in the county did....there was never any thought of political idealogy in any of our minds, just a developing idea of the vision we each separately held of the "holy grail" of our car-focused religion, so to speak.

The 45+ ensuing years haven't changed any of us much...I was fortunate enough to be at the family home for the "class reunion" of my high school class...every year those of us (there were 13 of us altogether) who can make it get together for dinner in a small cafe and because of education, profession, and family I had not seen any of them since 1967. Six of us made it, four were male...so it did not take long for the discussion to turn to the fun we had with our cars back in the 60's and 70's.

Despite the differences between us regarding our failures and successes in the ensuing years, we were one in our enduring appreciation of fine automobiles, and when I pulled out the cell phone and showed my best friend from high school a photo of my Cobra he simply said "I'm not surprised".

Now, I can tell you that there is not a more conservative region in the U.S. than Southwest Kansas....I bet there isn't a registered Democrat in the 4 counties that surround my home...well, maybe there is, but I haven't ever met him (or her?). Obamma-care took a beating in that discussion, me standing up to them and supporting the need for some sort of "forced" responsibility, them fiercely supporting their preference for the choice to be theirs and not the government's, but we were all congenial in our discussions.

The thing that sets liberals apart from conservatives, IMHO, relates to the focus that each has on the individual vs. society. During those discussions I stated that I would not mind having to put cats on my Cobra if that were a requirement...especially if that area were suffering from air pollution that left the general society under health risk. Likewise, I would not respond negatively if there were a per-year mileage limit initiated, resulting in not being able to drive my Cobra as much as I do now. I do not view those sorts of limitations as a personal affront so much as an effort to ensure the health and well-being of the general population, whereas each of the more conservative members was adamant that they viewed such actions as an attack on their personal liberties. It might be a bad example, I assure you, because that area of KS has such clear air that there will never be a need for such legislation, but the orientation of the two opposing political idealogies was never more evident or clear.

Liberals seem to be more interested in the well-being of our society as a whole, whereas the conservatives seem to be more interested in their own individual well-being, to hell with everyone else. Some phrased it in terms of "freedom"...we all agreed freedom is a good thing, but "freedom from" and "freedom to" can bear very different appearances to this still dirt-poor old educator.

That's my observation.....be it flawed or not, be it correct or not, it does seem that way to me. It is never more evident than in our current political atmosphere, where the liberal candidate for POTUS seems to be genuinely concerned for the welfare and survival of the middle class, and where the conservative candidate seems to be unconcerned for the welfare and survival of anyone except the wealthy (gee, surprise there, no? Who would have thought that someone who had already made incredible personal wealth at a huge cost to the middle class working stiff would think he needed to care for them...a no-brainer, there )

Fire away, LB, I've just taken the time to respond honestly...have at it.

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Ohhhhhh, Doug. I guess they couldn't afford to hand out the "edit" button in your creative writing classes, could they.

If you read the first article I linked in this thread, I realize it is a long one, you should have a much better idea of what we as automotive hobbyists are faced with, not only in the future, but right now.

Maybe you bought a turn key vehicle, but you payed extra to have someone else to go through the ever deepening quagmire of government regulation to get your vehicle registered to run legally on the streets. If you're a home fabricator, the expense and paperwork make it less and less desirable/possible to go through all that hassle.

jim likes to bring up the great "successes" of California. Well, in that state, there are now A LOT of performance parts that can't be bought in California. Why? Because California has written their own set of draconian pollution laws that are too expensive and not worth complying with. It is more logical for these companies to ignore the worlds biggest car market, and just sell to the rest of the world.
By the way, that's also why California has the highest gas and especially diesel prices in the whole country.

If you lived in Los Angeles in the sixties, you actually know what bad smog is. Those days are gone, and thank God. But, like the unions, the EPA was needed in the beginning, but is now bloated, out of control, unelected, and doesn't answer to the desires of the people. They are killing jobs with way over the top regulations that achieve little more than power to the writers of these laws. I think the carbon taxes that Pete waxes most eloquent on are going to be the straw that broke the camel's back on this insane regulation mania. Anyway, that's my hope, and I believe, the hope of our hobby which I truly love.
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I was much like Doug in resisting any response initially, but LB's last post was worthy of appreciation in that he finally resisted casting the wide net use of the term liberal, and instead focused on the issue regardless of it's ties to the dirty "L" word.
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