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Old 3rd December 2011, 11:01 PM   #81
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Re: More Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax.

Altered data, altered data, but what if we're right????
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Old 4th December 2011, 12:01 AM   #82
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Re: More Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax.

Climate science of the 21st century is all about manipulating the population so the governing bodies can achieve their own ends.

We are told about pollution and greenhouse gases and are then slugged with a carbon tax, (although Australia is one of the least polluting countries), and then when it has been voted in by the pollies they give themselves a great pay rise to the point where our Prime Minister now earns more than the American president or the British Prime Minister.

The earth has been going through hot and cold cycles since the beginning of time the only problem is that we have not been around to see and record it so the so called experts can make any claim they want without fear of being critised
because it can't be verified.

The human race used to have natural balances and checks in place with disease and famine to keep the population under control but science has now mostly eliminated those so the human race can go on populating to their heart's content.

In the animal world when there are lean times a lot of the animals die off and so do not overrun the available food and habitat but as humans we save every baby possible even when some are born so handicapped that their quality of life is non existant.
In nature unless an animal is fit it is not allowed to continue and so the remaining population become stronger and fitter.

It is a shame humans can not learn from nature rather than use and abuse the natural world.

In my time on this earth I have met some very nice people but by and large most people seem to only be interested in themselves and do not have the slightest concern about what they do to others along their way as long as they get what they want.

I can only say, God or whomever, help us all because we are headed for a non future at the current rate and getting there faster and faster every day.

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Old 4th December 2011, 12:56 AM   #83
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Got it. Climate science of the 21st century is like the Inquisition.

Who is getting duped again?

Good lord.
That's really not fair, Jeff. I didn't quote you out of context, or reinterpret what you've said to make a quick soundbyte.

I didn't compare climate science to the Inquisition, more the political ramifications and infighting of the climate science institution. "I'm more pious than you, therefore you are a blasphemour and a witch!"

Now tell me that AIN'T the case when you cede to consensus of a fickle cabal influencing policy?

BTW...what is the climate change flavor of the week nowadays? Are we in a period of global warming or global cooling? In the 70s we were all sliding into an Ice Age, in the 90s and early 00s it was death by scorching heat & drought, now there are rumblings of a return to glaciation & frigid temps. I'm confused as to how supposed greenhouse gases that are rampantly out of control can cause a simultaneous upward shift in global temperatures while also bringing about a cooling trend. Is it heat that we are trapping, or not???

I just want to get a feel for what the consensus is, since these prophets of doom are forecasting our long-range weather patterns, so I can choose the appropriate wardrobe...do I go with the parka and UnderArmor, or stick with floppy hat & shorts?

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Old 4th December 2011, 01:36 AM   #84
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Entertaining at best...and that logical reply is based on what (other than a high-school physics course)? But if a "very logical, well thought reply" didn't convince me that the inconsistent correlations between solar variances and earth's recent climate change are tenuous at best, then the statement "...was banned for using multiple..." did for sure. That's probably one of the closest illustrations of the kind of convincing "science" being discussed, that I've ever heard.


Jeff, Cliff; Do yourselves a big favor, get out of this thread (and some others). There is no fact, opinion, or compelling argument that will ever cause some folks to stop, pause, think, synthesize, and come to a newer understanding...period. You've hit the stop!

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Terry, I would have expected better of you. Everyone who expresses a sincere and genuine opinion on this thread has a right to be in on the discussion. I have a valid and reasonable opinion. It may not be your opinion, and that's completely fine. Reasonable people can have differing opinions. That's part of the value of debate and the exchange of ideas.

I welcome your thoughts and opinions and respect your position. It's different than mine and I'm completely cool with that. Please do stay in the discussion and enrichen the dialog with your well thought out ideas.

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Old 4th December 2011, 02:05 AM   #85
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"Assessing impacts of future anthropogenic carbon emissions is currently impeded by uncertainties in our knowledge of equilibrium climate sensitivity to atmospheric carbon dioxide doubling. Previous studies suggest 3 K as best estimate, 2–4.5 K as the 66% probability range, and non-zero probabilities for much higher values, the latter implying a small but significant chance of high-impact climate changes that would be difficult to avoid. Here, combining extensive sea and land surface temperature reconstructions from the Last Glacial Maximum with climate model simulations we estimate a lower median (2.3 K) and reduced uncertainty (1.7–2.6 K 66% probability). Assuming paleoclimatic constraints apply to the future as predicted by our model, these results imply lower probability of imminent extreme climatic change than previously thought."

World Climate Report » A new, lower estimate of climate sensitivity
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Old 4th December 2011, 02:09 AM   #86
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"The list of things proffered that the models couldn’t have known about that have led to slower-than-expected warming over the past 10-15 years includes declines in solar radiation, declines in stratospheric water vapor, increases in stratospheric aerosols, increases in tropospheric aerosols, the timing of El Nino/La Nina cycles, the timing of multi-decadal ocean circulation oscillations, and probably ultimately, the kitchen sink followed by the commode. What’s interesting is that the white knights never really mention these very same influences when they are acting in the opposite sense—that is, when they are acting to speed up the warming (which many were during the 1990s). But now that warming has considerably slowed, these mechanisms seem to have taken on cosmic significance."

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Old 4th December 2011, 12:41 PM   #87
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Sorry, looks to me like you were doing just that. If you weren't my apologies.

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Pseudo-science is the new leading religion, just as the Roman Catholic church was during the Dark Ages. Doesn't mean that they are any better of an example than the Inquisitors were. People often do really stupid things in large numbers. Especially when they are stuck in a circle-jerk of positive reinforcement for going along with one of the greatest intentional dupes in the history of EDUCATED men.
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Old 4th December 2011, 03:42 PM   #88
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With this wretched mess of an international scandal, when they meant so well, you know, its not easy Sesame Street - Bein' Green (1969) - YouTube
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Old 5th December 2011, 06:06 PM   #89
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Re: More Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax.

Bad Stuff Happens



6 December 2011

The long war for carbon sense continues. Persistence is our secret weapon.
Please pass this on.

The first climate scare was man-made “global warming”.

But the warming refused to appear as fast as the models predicted, so it became “climate change”.

But people were not stupid and soon were saying “but climate always changes”.

So now the climate scare industry is focussing on “extreme weather events”, and naturally they still claim these are caused by man-made carbon dioxide.

Timed beautifully for the meeting of the climatists in Durban, the UN IPCC has outdone themselves in forecasting extreme weather events – "weather on steroids". Determined to scare up a consensus in Durban, this weather scare is sprinkled with warnings of "diluvian rains", and droughts, cyclones, heat-waves of such magnitude or frequency that "settlement in some areas could be wiped out" and "some areas will become increasingly marginal as places to live" and "it is possible that many residents will have to relocate.''

Source (With thanks to CCNet):
UN scientists forecast more severe droughts, cyclones and floods

Maybe they should be reminded that extreme weather events have been occurring as far back as earth history has been recorded. Here is a listing of "extreme events" over 1900 years, prepared by James Marusek:
Check them out here: http://www.breadandbutterscience.com/Weather.pdf

Here is another list of droughts, fires, floods and disappearing or growing ice. It starts with a record of sea floods that drowned 100,000 people in Holland in 1481.
See: C3: Bad Sh^t Happens, Again & Again

Maybe "extreme weather events" are "normal" here on earth and man has very little to do with most of them. Someone needs to tell the pampered pontificators of the IPCC: "Bad Stuff Happens– get used to it, make appropriate preparations – you are not going to stop it."


A comment on extreme weather from the Soviet era:

"Soviet farm production was down again because of the
23rd consecutive year of unusual drought."
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Old 5th December 2011, 08:27 PM   #90
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Re: More Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax.

Recent studies strongly indicate the wobble in the earth's 23 degree inclination (just a degree or two), had huge implications in the weather, resulting in the glaciation periods. The neat thing about this was the matching of the wobble with the periods. This by no means supports or refutes the current debate, only a tiny bit of new information.
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Old 5th December 2011, 10:54 PM   #91
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Re: More Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax.

And a lot more of the motive behind this hoax;

"More importantly, every time we import goods, every time we export our fine products (think jobs) we will do so with a climate tax skimming off the top."

Report: Obama, UN to tax US for Green Climate Fund | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

"Obama and his fellow climate travelers are working around the Senate and planning to stick America with the bill."
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Old 5th December 2011, 11:32 PM   #92
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Help me understand. Why are Obama and his "fellow climate travelers" working so hard to screw the US?
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Old 5th December 2011, 11:37 PM   #93
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Jeff,

I seem to remember that by definishon paranoia does not make sense.
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Old 6th December 2011, 11:13 AM   #94
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I seem to remember that by definishon paranoia does not make sense.
By "definishon," the left will tax the air you breath.

http://www.carbontax.org/
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Jeff,

I seem to remember that by definishon paranoia does not make sense.
[QUOTE]By "definishon," the left will tax the air you breath. /QUOTE]Posted by Bob


par·a·noi·a

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2. baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others.

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This really sounds like they had LB in mind.

Gee Bob, I see the part about "the projection of personal conflict", "hostility" and "excessive suspicion".

Bob where is the part about taxing air?
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"Carbon dioxide (chemical formula CO2) is a naturally occurring chemical compound composed of two oxygen atoms covalently bonded to a single carbon atom. It is a gas at standard temperature and pressure and exists in Earth's atmosphere in this state, as a trace gas at a concentration of 0.039% by volume."

It is not exactly thinking outside the box here, Jimboree. The current liberal agenda is to tax the industrial world and give it to the third worlds. Its being done by taxing the carbon in the air we breathe.

I know logic and spelling aren't you long suits, but try putting one and one together, the answer is 9, right?
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Why? How does this benefit them?

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Why? How does this benefit them?
Are you denying that redistribution of wealth is a primary agenda of the left?
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par·a·noi·a

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2. baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others.

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Bob, you are the poster child of paranoia! Not only is it not an agenda of the left, it is not an agenda at all!

Only in your paranoid mind.

Your "hostility to others" is showing again.
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What possible purpose does it serve an American President to engage in a "con scheme" with the world's scientists that results in dollars going to -- in your view of how the scheme operates -- the third world?

How does that even possibly make any sense?

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