California highest poverty rate in u.s.a.

[Bob Fechter]

"California has the highest poverty rate in the U.S., according to the new Supplemental Poverty Measure released Wednesday, AP/KPCC's "KPCC News" reports."

Read more: New Poverty Measure Finds That California Has Highest Rate in U.S. - California Healthline

 

[Bob Fechter]

"Under the new system, California's poverty rate is 23.5% of the population, an increase from 16.3% under traditional poverty measures. The gap is the largest among all U.S. states."


Read more: New Poverty Measure Finds That California Has Highest Rate in U.S. - California Healthline

 

[Bob Fechter]

This is the result of socialism, my friends raw hard facts and is backed up by the worker's paradise of The European Union.

 

[Jim Rosenthal]

Actually the number of poor people hasn't changed much; it's the fact that the definitions have changed. Also CA's financial picture is improving, so the rate may go down.

 

[Bob Fechter]

Beware of when the government changes definitions, Jim. If you'll recall, the Clinton administration changed the definition of overweight/obesity, and look at what we see coming. Bloomberg is just the tip of the iceberg here.

 

[Jim Craik]

Unfortunally, California recently endured two terms under a conservative actor, playing Governor (where have we heard that before), as we all know, nothing can screw up a state economy like a conservative.

Thank God, two short years ago, we elected a Smart Liberal Governor and things have turned around! Governor Brown has cut spending and we the people of California just voted in a much needed tax increase, so things are quickly comming back.

Jerry brown holds the record for being the youngest, the oldest and the smartest Governor of California.

 

[John Milmont]

I don't think Schwarzenegger would be considered a conservative by anyone other than you Jim.

Even the SFgate, which is not at all conservative covered this...
Schwarzenegger's liberal views leave GOP flummoxed / Actor is pro-choice, pro-gun control and pro-gay rights - SFGate

 

[Jim Craik]

So Schwarzenegger is not a consevative.

Has anyone noticed this trend, Republicans are all consevative until they fail, then the right goes on this... they are not really conservative crap (BushI, BushII, Romney, and now Arnold). Arnold has been painted as a sellout by the right on fiscal issues, even though he didn't raise tax rates.

Arnold could make a claim, on the tax issue, to be the most conservative governor in CA history. Schwarzenegger would be on safe ground saying that. At least, no one is likely to contest him. The only governor of recent vintage who could claim a previously more conservative record on taxes won’t be boasting about it.

His name is Jerry Brown. Remember his first term, the era of limits? He was governor when Prop 13 was passed. He opposed it, and backed a counter-proposal to reduce property taxes. But when Prop 13 won, Brown immediately embraced it.

So Schwartzenegger is not consevative but Ronald Reagan is? Take a look at tax numbers on Reagan, offered by biographer Lou Cannon, jarring in light of today’s debate.

The Great Consevative, Ronald Reagan raised CA taxes on corporation from 5.5 to 9 percent; the tax on banks from 9.5 percent to 13 percent, and the highest rate on personal come tax jumped from 7 percent to 11 percent.
If Reagan rose from the dead and tried that today, Republican lawmakers would shun him, and every anti-tax group in the state would be racing to the attorney general’s office with recall papers.

Yet he is a Conservative and Arnold is not?

In reality, if Reagan was a Consevative then so is Obama!

 

[Mark]

BORING!

At least Arnold had the decency not to take financial remuneration for his office. Top Chap.

 

[John Milmont]

Jim, you are definitely confusing republicans and conservatives. Raising or lowering taxes does not define you as a conservative. You know its easier to create and pass bad legislation than it is to get rid of it. Sometimes the environment has become so toxic that raising taxes has to be done. But the long term goal of conservatives should be to remove unnecessary government programs which should reduce spending, which should shrink the size of government, which then allows for tax reductions later. Conservatives also do not incentivise government dependencies; instead, they try to remove them so people can stand on their own. Conservatives tend to think in longer time frames than liberals because we know things like this cant be done over night.

That said, Reagan had to raise California taxes because of the unfunded mess left from his predecessor, Pat Brown - father of Jerry brown. BTW, we should really stop electing these royal families into office.

But before you say "A HA! Obama has to deal with the mess left by Bush!" The difference between Brown/Reagan and Bush/Obama is that Obama is pretty much doing the same thing as his predecessor - spend spend spend! At least Obama isn't starting new wars.

 

[Jim Craik]

John,

The problem I have with what you say is that Consevatives always speak of "The Great Ronald Reagan" as the prototype Consevative. Yet nobody has grown the size of Government and the debt more than Reagan.

John, as I said before, it seems that all Republicans call themselves Conservative until they fail, than we hear "they really are not true Conservatives"

So John, if Reagan, Schwartznegger, BushI, BushII, Romney, McCain (who we were told were Conservatives), are not Conservatives, then please tell us who exactly are these Conservatives we keep hearing about.

 

[Jim Craik]

John,

I did some checking, this chart is from Forbes.

So if low Government spending is an important part of being a Conservative, could it be that Clinton and Obama are the "real Conservatives"?

 

[John Milmont]

Hey Jim, its pretty easy to increase the public debt a large percentage when its very small to begin with. For instance, if the debt is $1 and you increase it to $5, thats a 500% increase.

This is a more accurate representation:

1980 is year 1 in this graph

This graph shows that democrats, on the average, are the ones spending more.

 

[John Milmont]

According to this data: US Government Spending As Percent Of GDP United States 1903-2012 - Federal State Local Data

If you look at the percentage of government spending to that of GDP, you will see its been pretty consistent since Reagan... that is until Bushes and Obamas spending took place.

 

[Jim Craik]

So John, if Reagan, BushI, BushII, McCain, Schwartznegger and Romney are not "real" Conservatives, who are the "real" Concervatives that you keep talking about?

I'm starting to think that a "real" Conservateve does not exist, its just an "Ideal" that folks are hoping for, but will never find, because the world does not work like that.

Its almost like a liberal saying were looking for God to run...............

 

[John Milmont]

I don't know, but I can tell you its not Obama.

But does that mean your saying just to give up and go with the other side?

 

[Jack]

Old white men!

 

[Jim Craik]

Well Jack, you got me there

Happy Thanksgiving my friend!

 

[Jack]

And all the best to you and yours Jim!
Enjoy the holiday.

 

[Bob Fechter]

Add more pain to the Worker's Paradise, "Happyfornia!"


"Proposition 30 added three percentage points to the marginal state income tax rate for California's highest-income taxpayers, bringing it to 13.3 percent. That action raised California over other high-tax jurisdictions to a marginal rate of 51.9 percent, slightly higher than New York City's level. Hawaii was the only other place with a calculated rate above 50 percent."

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolaler...y-nations-highest-tax-rate.html#storylink=cpy