Affordable Care Act a HIT!!!! 7 million goal achieved; 8 million now signed up!

[Doug S.]

Well, for those who blamed Bee-Oh for the botched website rollout, Kansan Kathleen Sebelius is gone and appears to have been railroaded. No worries, the ACA has achieved its goal, get the uninsured into an insurance plan so that those of us who DO carry our own insurance won't have to pay for the health care of those who are not responsible enough to do just the same.

I, for one, support the effort....and support even more the penalties for those who continue to refuse to assume the financial responsibility for their own health care.

Sure, I know there will be those of you who may be physicians who cannot get over Bee-Oh's statement that you could keep your insurance plans and service providers if you wanted to...that might not have worked out as he predicted (commonly referred to as "promised" by the conservative contingent), but even if it didn't work out as predicted/promised at least the 8 million will now HAVE a plan and service providers...YEE-HAW!!!!!

Of, course....your opinion may vary, and usually does....never-the-less, I would like to hear them, as I enjoy the exchange of information. Always good to keep an open mind, I say :thumbsup:

Cheers!!!!

Doug

 

[Jim Craik]

Doug,

Yes, in the end this will be both a popular and successful program.

The handeling of the roll out was very poorly handled with the web site and all.

Additionally how they let the President go on about keeping your plan, without adding the very important stipulation.......

"As long as it meets the minimum requirements......"

That was very stupid!

But even with that, even with years of non-stop mis-information about death pannels and 80% of Doctors quitting, they still signed up more than expected.

Bravo!

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

Geez 8 million out of 317 million. Great effort.

 

[Jim Craik]

Pete,

This bill was aimed at the "uninsured".

As of 2012 that was approximately 15% around 47 million.

8mil out of 47mil sure sounds alot better doesn't it?

And yes we know that some folks with very low end plans had to upgrade to a plan that met the minimum requirements, but still, the numbers are good!

The numbers are similar to year one with the very successful Romneycare plan, you know, the one Republicans gave to Mass.

 

[Larry L.]

Pete,

This bill was aimed at the "uninsured".

...and there's been NO appreciable change in the number of people who were uninsured BEFORE Oblahblahcare was forced down out throats, has there...and those few "uninsured" who ARE now covered have been provided their coverage at a total cost of HOW MANY BAZILLIONS OF DOLLARS to the taxpayers to date??? (Something over a BILLION has been spent on the ACA's disastrous website alone.)

SIX + MILLION policies were cancelled because of Oblahblahcare, and their holders were f-o-r-c-e-d to sign up for "better" policies costing faaaaaaaaar more $$$$$$$$$$ in premiums AND FAR HIGHER DEDUCTABLES. So, how many of the the 7 or 8 million who've supposedly signed up for Oblahblahcare to date are people in THAT group? If all that's 'kool' with YOU - Oblahblahcare is a "hit" alright.

IT'S A TRAIN WRECK 'far as the public in general is concerned, and all the polls show that. Why else are all the Democrats whose seats are at risk in this fall's elections running away from it in droves??? That fact alone tells you what actual reality is with regard to the ACA.

It's costing full time jobs. Businesses aren't expanding. Econ growth is a j-o-k-e...so much so that the current "recovery(?!) is the s-l-o-w-e-s-t in the history of the country. The ACA is creating a situation where soon home and auto loans will be affected because banks won't loan to "part time" workers...and, for the most part, the only kind of jobs the ACA is creating ARE part time.

Eeeeeeeeeeh, why do I even bother...

 

[Jim Craik]

Larry, calm down, you have been fed nothing but lies, and you believed them. This program will be very successful...

We have proof!

This was modeled after Romney Care.

This is from Bloomberd News talking about Romney Care.....

"About 98 percent of state residents are insured under the legislation Romney signed in 2006, a 10 percent rise from the previous three-year average. Government costs haven’t ballooned, officials say, and 63 percent of residents support the law."

So Romney care was so successful that 98% are now insured and 63% are happy and support the law.

Larry, stress is a killer, I hope you have insurance.

 

[Robert May Eng.]

I am not so sure I understand your health care system . Can someone answer this question, if a vagrant falls down in the street with a heart attack or is shot and he has no insurance or is not part of the system is he left to die or is there a basic system in place to deal with this even if there is no chance of financial reimbursement ????? Who picks up the tab?


Bob

 

[Keith]

Sounds like you're thinking of emigrating Bob

 

[Keith]

By the way, Doug Near Houston, I don't suppose your multi exclaimed title was in any way designed to attract the Great Right Flame? :quirk:

 

[Robert May Eng.]

The Colonel is in fine form this morning

Bob.

 

[Keith]

Ah! That is purely (and unusually) because my oxygen line didn't get flattened in the night when the bedroom door shut on it as it usually does.

So I can b--r--e--a--t--h--e for a change :laugh:

 

[Steve]

I am not so sure I understand your health care system . Can someone answer this question, if a vagrant falls down in the street with a heart attack or is shot and he has no insurance or is not part of the system is he left to die or is there a basic system in place to deal with this even if there is no chance of financial reimbursement ????? Who picks up the tab?


Bob

Bob,

Good question. The vagrant will be taken to a county or public hospital. The hospital is usually compensated by the county, state or federal govt to provide care to indigent patients. Admittedly, the hospital takes a loss on this as the funding is not exceptional, very fragmented and disjointed, and the care that indigent patients require is often disproportionately expensive. For instance, the gangbangers in Chicago used to shoot rival gang members right above the pubic bone (about 6 inches above yer wanker). It would often result in paralysis of the legs, a colostomy, and an ileostomy, which was the intent. For an 18yo, being paralyzed from the waist down and having to poop and pee into a bag is a fate worse then death. One event like this is upwards of $200,000 in health care expenditures. These hospitals can never recoup all of these expenses. As a result, inner city hospitals that were once great institutions (Cook County Hospital in Chicago) have fallen on rough financial times in the last few decades.

Oh, the docs work for free in these cases. If the doc is salaried by the hospital he will receive his/her salary but if the doc is private such as myself he/she works for free. It's illegal to turn such patients away. One of the few (maybe only) situations where a profession is mandated by law to work for free.

 

[Robert May Eng.]

So in effect many would not see paying for health care a priority because they will be dealt with FOC.

Bob

 

[Doug S.]

Geez 8 million out of 317 million. Great effort.

I think it is a good start, Pete. It is a bigger problem than most people realize and IMHO it is particularly costly to those in the higher income levels, as their taxes are already high and can only go higher if we can't make sure people can (and WILL) pay for their own health care.

were[/I] cancelled because of Oblahblahcare, and their holders were f-o-r-c-e-d to sign up for "better" policies costing faaaaaaaaar more $$$$$$$$$$ in premiums AND FAR HIGHER DEDUCTABLES. So, how many of the the 7 or 8 million who've supposedly signed up for Oblahblahcare to date are people in THAT group? If all that's 'kool' with YOU - Oblahblahcare is a "hit" alright.

Larry, I know you are a physician. I would think you would be in favor of any system that would ensure (insure) that you will get paid for your services...and IMHO that the requirement that large numbers of people who are either uninsured or underinsured are "forced" to carry adequate insurance to cover the costs of your services.

I am not so sure I understand your health care system . Can someone answer this question, if a vagrant falls down in the street with a heart attack or is shot and he has no insurance or is not part of the system is he left to die or is there a basic system in place to deal with this even if there is no chance of financial reimbursement ????? Who picks up the tab?
Bob

Bob,

Good question. The vagrant will be taken to a county or public hospital. The hospital is usually compensated by the county, state or federal govt to provide care to indigent patients. Admittedly, the hospital takes a loss on this as the funding is not exceptional, very fragmented and disjointed, and the care that indigent patients require is often disproportionately expensive....These hospitals can never recoup all of these expenses.

Oh, the docs work for free in these cases. If the doc is salaried by the hospital he will receive his/her salary but if the doc is private such as myself he/she works for free. It's illegal to turn such patients away. One of the few (maybe only) situations where a profession is mandated by law to work for free.

Exactly my point. My experience with these "freeloaders" is primarily in the education system, where we have huge numbers of undocumented immigrants who have flooded into the USA in order to take advantage of our special education system. Many of our services can be quite expensive and they do not offer much help in Mexico.

That's not the only problem I have with that population, though...for the most part those families were working for cash under the table, day jobs, any way they could to keep unverifiable income from being subject to discovery. Those are the very individuals who were draining the coffers of our county's indigent health care funds...yet they were living multiple families in one house, sending huge portions of their undocumented cash income back to Mexico, and still crying they could not afford to even eat so they get food stamps and all kinds of FREE care.

By the way, Doug Near Houston, I don't suppose your multi exclaimed title was in any way designed to attract the Great Right Flame? :quirk:

No, sir, Mr. Hardy. My experience on this forum with the "Great Right" is that those individuals are routinely highly intelligent and accomplished individuals and I have the highest level of respect for them. They may be a bit misguided, IMHO, but their accomplishments speak for themselves.

I deny all your allegations :thumbsup:

Cheers!

Doug

 

[Robert May Eng.]

Kinell Doug that sorted that :laugh:

Bob

 

[Al Wohlstrom]

Yup 2.5% of the population have signed up. Nothing like a lofty goal. They neglect to say the number of people that lost their insurance "If you like your Dr yada yada BS lie" that are included in that number. Or the lack of 18 to 35 year olds that haven't signed up that are needed to support the act. But, I guess if you can unconstitutionally change the LAW whenever you feel like it (I think around 28 times to date) then whoopee, it's a roaring success. But it would have been thought of that way no matter what the number was. And the "affordable" rise in premiums, Health Plan Premiums Are Skyrocketing According To New Survey Of 148 Insurance Brokers, With Delaware Up 100%, California 53%, Florida 37%, Pennsylvania 28% - Forbes. Sounds like we have a winner here! A gullible electorate, I should have been a politician instead of a builder, and you get the real good "free" health plan. "Let them eat cake"

 

[Doc Kaler]

Just to add to the misery....it is conceivable that one could sign up and not pay your first premium and appear to be insured for 90 days. For the first 30 days the insurer will pay the hospital and physicians. But the last 60 days, the insurer will not pay the hospital/doctors!

 

[Larry L.]

Larry, I know you are a physician. I would think you would be in favor of any system that would ensure (insure) that you will get paid for your services...and IMHO that the requirement that large numbers of people who are either uninsured or underinsured are "forced" to carry adequate insurance to cover the costs of your services.

I know that's the spin your side likes to put on the whole mess, Doug, but the truth is many Docs are retiring early because of the ACA. They refuse to put up with all the i-d-i-o-t-i-c additional paperwork and expense...not to mention the level of 'compensation' you personally laude, AND the fact that D.C. is going to dictate what treatment they can administer. THREE members of the cardiology specialists office my wife goes to have already left. Another 2 or 3 plan to do the same. THAT is only part of the reality of Oblahblahcare.

And, as I've mentioned before, just wait until the EMPLOYER MANDATES that Obama has "delayed" until after the 2016 elections (illegally,BTW) finally kick in and many of those who support the Democrats and the ACA fraud are finally allowed to find out their employer-based insurance is no more...'that they were lied to again.

Larry, calm down, you have been fed nothing but lies, and you believed them.

:lol::lol::lol:

I'm the one who's been fed lies and believed 'em???! SERIOUSLY?????!

"If you wanna KEEP your doctor, you can KEEP your doctor - PERIOD!"
"If you wanna KEEP your plan, you can KEEP your plan - PERIOD!"
"Premiums will go DOWN an average of $2,500 a year..."
"EVERYBODY will be covered..."
"You'll get BETTER coverage for LESS MONEY."
"Obamacare IS NOT A TAX."
"Obamacare won't add one dime to the debt/deficit..." (Well, actually he was right there, it won't add "one dime" - it'll add a TRAINLOAD of DOLLARS.)


NUTS to this...it's vacation time again...

 

[Jim Craik]

Please explain why Romney care is so successful and popular?

 

[Al Wohlstrom]

EVERY Dr. I meet a the gym or wherever without exception has told me that the "paper work" or computer time has gone up 10 times or more. The payment take forever, but with government run anything this is expected. They also have hourly "quotas" of patients. They are going to do substantially more for less pay. Some I talked to were thinking of non insurance cash type multi Dr practices. We are going to be seeing a lot of "almost a Dr" taking care of people.