Conundrum

[Al Wohlstrom]

The definition of the word Conundrum is: something that is puzzling or confusing.
Here are six Conundrums of socialism in the United States of America:
1. America is capitalist and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.
2. Half of the population is subsidized - yet they think they are victims.
3. They think they are victims - yet their representatives run the government.
4. Their representatives run the government - yet the poor keep getting poorer.
5. The poor keep getting poorer - yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.
6. They have things that people in other countries only dream about - yet they want America to be more like those other countries.

1. We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works.
And here's another one worth considering...
2. Seems we constantly hear about how Social Security is going to run out of money. How come we never hear about welfare or food stamps running out of money? What's interesting is the first group "worked for" their money, but the second didn't.
Think about it.....and Last but not least,
3. Why are we cutting benefits for our veterans, no pay raises for our military and cutting our army to a level lower than before WWII, but we are not stopping the payments or benefits to illegal aliens.

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

That is a conundrum Al, also if you typed Australia instead of America it is the same conundrum.

 

[Jim Craik]

Politics?

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[Larry L.]

3. Why are we cutting benefits for our veterans, no pay raises for our military and cutting our army to a level lower than before WWII, but we are not stopping the payments or benefits to illegal aliens.

...or to members of congress or fed workers.

 

[Steve]

I get it Jim. If it's your guy who lies and plays politics with a cover up to get reelected it's OK. Let's see: Tricky Dick doesn't break into the Watergate offices but lies to cover it up, subsequently resigns. Obama doesn't kill an ambassador (although his state department's incompetence contributed to it) but he covers it up, has people knowingly lie about it to get reelected and it's OK. In one scenario an office was broken into, in the other an ambassador and several people died. Let's see......

 

[Jeff Young]

Steve, you are generaly smarter than to fall for right wing "Watergate equivalency" nonsense. We have:

a. A screw up in consulate security on the one hand; and
b. A several year long attempt to subvert the electroal process on the other.

You decide which is most important to America. Or let Fox News do it for you because when you type stuff like the above, you are showing an incredible amount of ignorance with our history, or political systems, what went on with Watergate, and what went on in Benghazi, and substituting judgment and reason for the ranting of nutjobs on a cable news channel.

The fascination of the right with Watergate and the desire to equate EVERY issue with a Democratic President to it is bizarre to say the least.

Worse than Watergate!

 

[Jeff Young]

What's most puzzling is that Al is one of the subsidized, and yet he continues to post drivel like this.

A conundrum!

The definition of the word Conundrum is: something that is puzzling or confusing.
Here are six Conundrums of socialism in the United States of America:
1. America is capitalist and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.
2. Half of the population is subsidized - yet they think they are victims.
3. They think they are victims - yet their representatives run the government.
4. Their representatives run the government - yet the poor keep getting poorer.
5. The poor keep getting poorer - yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.
6. They have things that people in other countries only dream about - yet they want America to be more like those other countries.

1. We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works.
And here's another one worth considering...
2. Seems we constantly hear about how Social Security is going to run out of money. How come we never hear about welfare or food stamps running out of money? What's interesting is the first group "worked for" their money, but the second didn't.
Think about it.....and Last but not least,
3. Why are we cutting benefits for our veterans, no pay raises for our military and cutting our army to a level lower than before WWII, but we are not stopping the payments or benefits to illegal aliens.

 

[Steve]

Never said Tricky Dick didn't get what he deserved. He did. How's that opinion right wing spin?

Of course, he wasn't lying, trying to spin and cover up the truth about a govt officials death. That was your beloved Obama. Saying that's not a big deal is the height of hypocrisy.

 

[Jeff Young]

Never said Tricky Dick didn't get what he deserved. He did. How's that opinion right wing spin?

Of course, he wasn't lying, trying to spin and cover up the truth about a govt officials death. That was your beloved Obama. Saying that's not a big deal is the height of hypocrisy.

Uh, wot?

What are the particulars and purpose of this conspiracy of which you speak?

There was confusion over the cause of the attack, the CIA said one thing others said something else, for a few days the Administration either was equivocal or had it wrong about the source of the attack (holy fuck, that's never happened before!) and eventually the stars aligned and we had a better picture of what went on.

MASSIVE COVERUP!

Given that there had been something like 50 embassy/consulate attacks against the US in the last 30 years, and this is the only one that YOU and others had a massive freak out over, I can only assume the reason for this is because this President is black. Because racist!

See how stupid conclusion jumping works?

 

[Al Wohlstrom]

Racist, you guys do get some mileage out of that bullshit. He was voted into office because he's black, or half black, everyone seems to forget his white mother. If every president prior to Obama had been black, would he have been your first white president? And then we could hug each other and say how proud we are to have been part of voting in the first white president. Sounds like something else, doesn't it? The liberals are so fucking noble, or would like everyone to think that. Look who we voted for, see how we hurt for the downtrodden.

 

[Larry L.]

There was confusion over the cause of the attack, the CIA said one thing others said something else, for a few days the Administration either was equivocal or had it wrong about the source of the attack (holy fuck, that's never happened before!) and eventually the stars aligned and we had a better picture of what went on.

Evidently you haven't been listening to (or have chosen to ignore) the testimony of generals and others who've testified 'the stars were aligned' within 24 hrs, because they knew within that time frame that it was NOT a "spontanious demonstration brought about by an anti-Muslim video", but an organized, well planned, coordinated terrorist attack. And yet OBAMA and several others in his admin continued to pitch the "demonstration/video" line for w-e-e-k-s afterward - including Obama himself during his speech at the U.N. and in interviews, etc.

It's also evident you're ignoring then-White House Deputy Strategic Communications Adviser Ben Rhodes' email wherein he stated Rice was "prepped" to appear on the Sunday talk shows and say the attack was “rooted in an Internet video, and not a failure of policy”...an email the admin kept from the investigative committee until it was forced to hand it over - and even THEN the admin insisted the email had nothing to do with Benghazi!

Nope. No coverup was attempted. None at all.

I can only assume the reason for this is because this President is black. Because racist!

Thaaaaaaaaaat's right, sir. You've nailed it. This whole investigation is prejudice-based. All of it. As is/was any and all opposition to a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g the Obama admin does/has done. I mean, after all, what difference at this point does it make anyway?




...I need some Baileys-laced coffee...

 

[Jeff Young]

THe lack of sense of humor here is...RACIST!

I'm sure, Larry and Al, that the last 50 times we had embassies and consulates attacked, you were in front of Fox News, screaming and yelling that we needed to know EXACTLY how and why some attack in a backwater consulate in a backwater embassy occurred, minute by minute.

Oh wait, you weren't. Because you didn't care. Becuase your Fox News masters didn't tell you to care.

Black President!

 

[Larry L.]

Thaaaaaaaaaat's right, sir. You've nailed it again. You're exactly right about us - again.

It's very obvious the comments you made in your OP were all tongue-in-cheek "humor"-based.

 

[Jim Craik]

Their Fox news master apparently did not care about these deaths, I wonder why?

Larry, Al, Steve.....why aren't you OUTRAGED about these deaths? WHY ARNT YOU INVESTIGATING THESE 107 DEATHS?

Why didn't Fox news go on the attack against the President after these attacks?

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13 Benghazis That Occurred on Bush's Watch Without a Peep from Fox News who deliberately ignoring anything that happened prior to Inauguration Day, January 20, 2009.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

 

[Larry L.]

'Simple. Because no one LIED about them. No one gave a "stand down" order. No one blamed any of them on an anti-Muslim video.

Besides, what difference at this point does it make?

So, your comment, "13 Benghazis That Occurred on Bush's Watch Without a Peep from Fox News who deliberately ignoring anything that happened prior to Inauguration Day, January 20, 2009", is a total JOKE in and of itself.

 

[Howard Jones]

Jim's a nice guy...............but it's a waste of time to talk to him about anything except hot rods...........proceed having been informed.

 

[Jim Craik]

Fox news wonders where the OUTRAGE is over the 4 deaths.
I wonder where there the OUTRAGE is over the 107 deaths?

Larry, I want you to be very clear, you are saying absolutly "no one LIED" about these attacks......no one lied about the 107 deaths?

Is that you final answer?

How about Al and Steve, do you agree with Larry?

 

[Jim Craik]

Say Howie

You may think is "a waste of time" to discuss this with me, I know that facts can be bothersome, but since you entered the fray with an editorial comment.......

Why do you think that Fox is outraged about these four deaths and is calling for investigation after investigation, but had no outrage over the 107 deaths during the Bush administration?

 

[Larry L.]

...............but it's a waste of time to talk to him about anything except hot rods...........

I've observed that as well. He'll pick some aspect of any reply and spin it into some nitpicky side issue just to keep the 'joust' going...as exemplified in his post #17 above.

Still, sometimes I just can't help myself!

 

[Jeff Young]

You have exactly ZERO basis for saying that because there was no attack dog "news" network out there rabble rousing for "explanations" about these particular attacks that occurred under a Republican President.

Folks may have lied. They may have gotten the causes wrong for some period of time, and so on. But on one carried because on one was crass enough to turn the investigation into the causes of it a racist one. Whoops. I meant political.

And yeah, your sense of humor sucks.

'Simple. Because no one LIED about them. No one gave a "stand down" order. No one blamed any of them on an anti-Muslim video.

Besides, what difference at this point does it make?

So, your comment, "13 Benghazis That Occurred on Bush's Watch Without a Peep from Fox News who deliberately ignoring anything that happened prior to Inauguration Day, January 20, 2009", is a total JOKE in and of itself.