Terrorist attacks in Paris.

[Pete McCluskey.]

Very confused in Paris right now at least 40 dead and 60 wounded. The religion of peace strikes again. Maybe now our fucking politicians will grow some balls.:furious:

 

[Bob Fechter]

Don't count on it Pete. The libs have too much invested in usurping the Western lifestyle.

 

[Jeff Young]

Fuck you Bob for associating liberalism or the left -- meaning people like me - with this kind of horrific attack. Just fuck you. And fuck you again.

No one here of any political position would condone this kind of thing, in any way shape or form. No American, no Brit, no Aussie, No Kiwi, no Frenchman, etc.

Thoughts out to those in Paris dealing with this right now.

 

[Doug S.]

Jeff, Jeff, Jeff...haven't you figured out that it's futile to argue with ol' LB? Just follow George's Rule:
"Never argue with someone more stupid than you,
It'll just make 'em mad if you do.
Just leave 'em believing what they "know" to be true,
Never argue with someone more stupid than you!!!"

Do a YouTube search for "Bill Barwick George's Rule".

...adding my condolences to those who were killed or injured in this most recent attack...there is nowhere in this whole world that is safe from these Muslim heathens, regardless of how "peaceful" they say they are.

Cheers!!!

Doug

 

[Al Wohlstrom]

At some point people are going to get tired of this and do something about it. The sad thing is that the good Muslims are going to pay as well unless they stand up and not condone this behavior. I really don't think that will happen though.

 

[roaldin]

Start with an easily manipulated personality (religious upbringing), put them in a polarized environment, let them choose (or feed them) only that information that supports their view and feed them an endless and repetitive supply of that information, encase them in a guns and bombs solve problems culture, or worse - in a war zone.
It is no surprise they become obsessive, shortsighted, selfish people that look for easy targets that represent all the worlds evils and see anyone that opposes any part of their personal view as instantly opposing it all.

Many many Muslims are standing up and dying, fighting or just killed trying to live as moderates in an increasingly stupid world. The fact they don't get much media coverage doesn't change the fact that most of them are not, and don't want to be, our enemies. We need their help as much as they need ours.

Extremists are the problem, whether they be murderers or internet trolls.

Another sad angry day, I'm sick of sad angry days.


Tim.

 

[Jeff Young]

Amen.

 

[roaldin]

I wonder sometimes if the US ever sees any reports of the constant barrage of suffering these hate filled bastards are inflicting on their own people, as well as on the non muslin world.

I feel for all the victims of this insanity.

Tim.

 

[Al Jones]

At some point people are going to get tired of this and do something about it. The sad thing is that the good Muslims are going to pay as well unless they stand up and not condone this behavior. I really don't think that will happen though.

You're right, Al, the change has to come from within. We will never be able to bomb them out of existence, only try to prevent individual events or react to disasters.... the Muslim community has to revolt against the behavior within their own culture. Unfortunately if it ever happens, this will, in the short term, bring more bloodshed. If it doesn't it will still bring more bloodshed. It has now gone beyond the point to save the innocent from this manical human tornado.

 

[Jeff Young]

I wonder sometimes if the US ever sees any reports of the constant barrage of suffering these hate filled bastards are inflicting on their own people, as well as on the non muslin world.

I feel for all the victims of this insanity.

Tim.

We do, some. I've read things about how badly everyday people (Muslims) are treated in the ISIS held state. But it is much easier for Americans to blindly hate all Muslims. Doesn't require much thought, and dovetails with our often very simple view of the world.

 

[Randy V]

Another very sad day for all of humanity....
As long as people are free to execute their own will upon others - they certainly will...
Threats and penalties up to and including death mean absolutely nothing to perpetrators of these crimes. Indeed, they die as martyrs - a higher honor for these villains simply does not exist.

 

[Robert May Eng.]

Very confused in Paris right now at least 40 dead and 60 wounded. The religion of peace strikes again. Maybe now our fucking politicians will grow some balls.:furious:

We have lived with this in the UK for many years Pete, as much as it grieves me the only way this will stop is to gives these despicable shits a place round the table.

Condolences to the victims and their loved one.

Sad day

Bob

 

[Robert May Eng.]

We have lived with this in the UK for many years Pete, as much as it grieves me the only way this will stop is to gives these despicable shits a place round the table.

Condolences to the victims and their loved one.

Sad day

Bob

Corrected before the grammar Nazi`s wake up


We have lived with this in the UK for many years Pete, as much as it grieves me the only way this will stop is to gives these despicable shits a place around the table.

Condolences to the victims and their loved ones.

Sad day

Bob

 

[David Morton]

All calm down. Getting up tight is not typical of WOGGs. Jeff - I would never associate you with something like that which Paris sustained last night though I'm afraid that many muslims - good muslims - are going to be condemned as a result.
Also, many muslims who also knew when it was appropriate to speak but didn't will be hiding their faces because of this attack in Paris. Unfortunately there will be anger in Paris that will lump the good and the bad together. That's how it is and people will be injured and killed.
The security forces are not raising our security levels here in the UK because they are already flat out trying to prevent something similar happening here though I fear it may happen sooner rather than later.

 

[Keith]

Whilst it's simply appalling it's something we've expected for some time now and I'm afraid there are too many soft targets for these bastards.

I echo all other sentiments already expressed here but definitely not the feeble attempt to tun this into a partisan political rant. In this respect, I feel Jeff's response was relatively mild.

I've never heard of being defensive being the best strategy for defence, and this does seem to call for offensive action of some kind.

I do believe they are trying to goad us into a "boots-on-the-ground" scenario so why don't we give it to them? Not in a Schwarzkopf type power play, but in a limited but specialised and co-ordinated campaign.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[Pat]

We have lived with this in the UK for many years Pete, as much as it grieves me the only way this will stop is to gives these despicable shits a place around the table.

Bob

So how would that work? You provide them a say as to the government's policies with designated parliament seats? Veto power over national policy perhaps? Do you believe that those who subscribe to tactics of wanton murder on innocents will suddenly become reasonable partners in government?
They don't want that. They want control. They want to rebuild the Ottoman Empire as a step toward a world-wide caliphate. ISIS is not a terrorist "organization", it is a terrorist government.
The tragic events in Paris, on Metrojet Flight 9268, the 1,700-person massacre in Tikrit and throughout the areas under their control would indicate the submission to the radical ISIS brand of Islam is the only alternative they will accept. Unfortunately for most Muslims and those of us in the West that idea (at the moment) is abhorrent.
If we want to stop the conflict, the only clear way to peace with ISIS is their destruction or our surrender. Coexistence does not seem to be working out.

 

[Keith]

We have lived with this in the UK for many years Pete, as much as it grieves me the only way this will stop is to gives these despicable shits a place around the table.



Bob

Just no. I'm with Pat on this one...

 

[Al Wohlstrom]

It seems now that the tail is wagging the dog. The 15% to 25% of radicals are controlling the rest of the Muslim world and the majority is going along to get along. But as in any other country run by fanatics, the few rule the many. The only difference being, we are not dealing with a country, Muslims are 1.6 billion and they are in every country, and in every country they are pushing their will, laws, and way of life. We need to deal with it or buy prayer rugs.

 

[Keith]

Agreed and it's the response to the Paris attack which is going to be crucial to the process. To do nothing is to wave a white flag IMO but to do something that fails even worse. Decisive proportionate and reasonably devastating would be my choice with high regard for the potential of collateral damage.

In the meantime the fricken media are filming every drop of blood on every paving slab and asking the usual banal questions: "So, what did you feel like when the shooting started" and "What was it like seeing people gunned down in front of you"?

Talk about the oxygen of publicity....

 

[Doug S.]

I echo all other sentiments already expressed here but definitely not the feeble attempt to tun this into a partisan political rant. In this respect, I feel Jeff's response was relatively mild.

SO GLAD that you expressed this, Keith! I'm sure you're familiar with LB's "hit & run" tactics...it dawns on me that they are very ISIS-like...cowardly, at the least.

If only we could deal with ISIS as easily as it is to deal with the inflammatory, hate-fueled actions of LB...but unfortunately, there is no "Ignore" function in the case of ISIS.

I agree...powerful military action is appropriate for this circumstance...not that there is not already ongoing action, such as the elimination of Jihadi John...but the magnitude is not significant enough to deter ISIS.

Sadly, I believe that David is right...only overwhelming action will be effective and I believe that includes David's "buckets of light" scenario. The only downside to that I can imagine is that the U.S. might then be viewed in the same light as ISIS if we were to take unilateral action. However, an extensive international alliance might well be the answer.

I have to wonder why the United Nations has not taken action. Maybe with this event they will???

Doug