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It may seem crazy on the face of it a Keith, but if you had a child or grandchild with, for example, certain types of Autism, maybe you wouldn't judge so harshly.
Teachers ( in fact,all of us) need to find ways to allow the majority to express themselves, whilst respecting those in the minority. Children with these problems have enough difficulty coping in mainstream schools, and thus seems to me to be a reasonable, if not the best, solution I have seen to date.
 

Keith

Moderator
That must make their transition into adulthood and self dependence a little traumatic to say the least, having been previously 'protected' in that way. Such 'protection' could not be guaranteed through adulthood, so who/what is to prepare them for the shock of modern life? I have worked with autistic children of varying degrees over the past 10 years and I can't say I've ever noticed a sensitivity to such noises or activities except in extreme cases, when often, I agree silence is the best course of action, but those children tend to be at the extreme end of the spectrum of autism and already receive specialist care..

Ban applause & clapping.


We'll just have to agree to differ on this subject.
 

Mike Pass

Supporter
Just another aspect of how easy life has become nowadays with modern technology and complex economies. This allows the wherewithall to have the capacity to consider such things. A few hundred years ago survival was the name of the game. Should our modern world be thrown into jeopardy by a nuclear war we will soon lose the capacity for such niceties, politeness and consideration. Ask the people living in a tent in a war zone if they are worried about clapping.
They might just tell you that "life's a bitch and then you die."
Maybe we are very lucky they haven't banned balloons yet due to the terrifying squeaking and the agonising bangs when they burst.
Beam me up Scotty.
Mike
 
I suppose it comes down to whether you have experienced it or not. I have a grandson who is Autustic and although he is a very bright and happy chap, one of the thinks that upsets him from time to time is loud noises. Whether you agree or not is irelevant Keith, that is fact. It sounds like your solution is to make him suffer it to prepare him for later life. I think that would be rather cruel.
Maybe he will grow out of it, but it won't be by forcing him to endure it.
 

Keith

Moderator
I suppose it comes down to whether you have experienced it or not. I have a grandson who is Autustic and although he is a very bright and happy chap, one of the thinks that upsets him from time to time is loud noises. Whether you agree or not is irelevant Keith, that is fact. It sounds like your solution is to make him suffer it to prepare him for later life. I think that would be rather cruel.
Maybe he will grow out of it, but it won't be by forcing him to endure it.

Take your points but don't we then up with a situation where the majority is driven my the minority. if distress is caused to an individual by the act of clapping or cheering in a particular group then a custom policy should be adopted, that modifies group behavior to avoid distress, not what you are suggesting above. My issue with the Australian nonsense is a blanket ban full stop.

I used to accompany various ages of autistic children from a local home to shopping trips and everyday activities such as gymnasiums and along the way, a large part of the learning curve for them was to an extent, the trauma of modern life. The noises, confrontations and in some cases the hatred of the locals. They weren't sheltered from this but eased through the experience by trained carers. These were residential children at a specialist school who had to be "released" into the community at age 18 and this training was vital for them if they were to stand on their own two feet. It was a most amazing experience working with them...
 

Malcolm

Supporter
There is a little bit of right in everyones response above because as we are all remote observers and likely not involved enough to know the full detail we are imposing our own viewpoint on the gaps in our knowledge of why the decision was taken.

My first hand experience is that when a person, child or adult is biologically programmed or hardwired with such or such then you cannot beat it out of them. All you can do is work out coping strategies for both the sufferer or the people around them. And often a well applied coping strategy reduces the symptoms too. But each coping strategy needs to be specific to the circumstance and one size rarely fits all.

You will get silly situations every so often. Once I was forced to include a disabled wc ie wheelchair friendly in a building project within an old building. The building was so old the corridor was not wide enough to get a wheel chair to the wc in the first place but to tick the box it had to be built to that standard. Another time I was in the process of being forced to specifically build wheelchair friendly shower cubicles in commercial premises for employees who would cycle to work. Common sense prevailed in that instance.
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
...The building was so old the corridor was not wide enough to get a wheel chair to the wc in the first place but to tick the box it had to be built to that standard. Another time I was in the process of being forced to specifically build wheelchair friendly shower cubicles in commercial premises for employees who would cycle to work. Common sense prevailed in that instance.

'Reminds me of a cliff-top resort accessible O-N-L-Y by hiking up a steep trail whose owners were being ordered by the ADA to retrofit their place to incorporate accommodations for the physically handicapped.

I don't recall how that was ironed out...
 
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Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
It's part of the so called safe schools program, which is nothing more than a left wing attempt at social engineering. Schools that participate remove all reference to gender, boys are told to dress as girls in their free time, to see if they are inclined to gender modification.
They are not allowed to refer to Mum & Dad, but are encouraged to call them by name.
It's total left wing BS and seemed to happen overnight, many parents are ropable about the whole program, which they were told was to prevent bullying. Of course it is much more than that.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au...pened-the-safe-schools-program/14589108003049
 
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I know there is definitely something strange going on at the Elanora Heights Public School, since I went to school there and now have a GT40.

Sounds like proof to me.....
 
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