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Old 11th October 2017, 12:05 PM   #1
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Look up VNUK, this is the European Commisions requirement that a law be introduced in every EU country that ANY vehicle, which includes ALL motorsport vehicles of every type, inc F1 to MOTOGP to the lowest forms of club sport, must have third party insurance in place . THERE IS NO SUCH INSURANCE AVAILABLE ! There are only a few days left to respond against this totally daft legislation, which could kill the whole motorsport industry in one stroke.
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Old 11th October 2017, 01:13 PM   #2
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Look up VNUK, this is the European Commisions requirement that a law be introduced in every EU country that ANY vehicle, which includes ALL motorsport vehicles of every type, inc F1 to MOTOGP to the lowest forms of club sport, must have third party insurance in place . THERE IS NO SUCH INSURANCE AVAILABLE ! There are only a few days left to respond against this totally daft legislation, which could kill the whole motorsport industry in one stroke.
Yes that’s insane Frank. Good job we’re leaving the EU then eh? We (UK) have ‘enjoyed’ a much slacker regime regarding one off car & racing manufacture than almost any of our so-called European ‘partners’. I personally don’t believe this will be imposed upon us as we have a significant industry (and therefore employment) in the motorsports sector. However, it would do no harm at all to rattle their cages, if indeed we had any clue as to who’s cage to rattle. Anyhow, I thought that Adrian Flux provided cover? Thanks for bringing it up Frank..
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Old 11th October 2017, 02:46 PM   #3
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Re: VNUK

Interesting perspective
New European ruling means changes to insurance law – but do I really need a policy for my lawnmower?

How soon do we leave the EU?
Answer not soon enough!

Perhaps an insurance could be put in place similar to South Africa where 3rd party insurance is included for motor vehicles by a surcharge on fuel.

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Old 11th October 2017, 04:03 PM   #4
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As I and many others, including the MSA, understand, it is necessary that all wheeled vehicles , including bicycles, invalid and mobility scooters, farm machinery etc etc must be insured, even if used on private land , the whole thing is typical euro , ( PROBABLY YOUR MOWER AS WELL ! ) How could any insurance company assess the risk, would F1 be as dangerous as destruction car racing, MotoGP be as dangerous as speedway racing, or the little old lady on her 4 mph mobility scooter going to get her pension? If they make it Law, the French will just ignore it, but the UK will kill the biggest and most profitable industrial business streams in the country by complying to the letter.
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Old 11th October 2017, 09:17 PM   #5
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Sounds like you guys are way ahead of us yanks in creating rules simply to support "jobs" without any regard as to the practicality of it.
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Old 12th October 2017, 08:07 AM   #6
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This is a simple manifestation of a huge govt bureaucracy run amok. The people of the EU are sacrificing their hard-earned income (via high taxes) at the altar of this government with minimal representation and will continue to suffer the imposition of evermore ridiculous and burdensome rules and regulations that will choke their productivity and individual liberties and freedoms.
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Old 12th October 2017, 09:30 AM   #7
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'Twould appear every 'representative'-style government on the planet has a 'select committee' secreted away somewhere whose sole job/purpose is to dream up and instigate 'do-so-because-we-say-so' rules/regulations/laws that have no basis in logic or common sense.

We have more than enough examples of that on the books over here...

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Old 12th October 2017, 03:40 PM   #8
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So is there no suspect party on the part of the insurance lobby? The reason I ask is that this appears to be specific in who would benefit, rather than the typical "spend money" government we see for more generalized spending.
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So is there no suspect party on the part of the insurance lobby? The reason I ask is that this appears to be specific in who would benefit, rather than the typical "spend money" government we see for more generalized spending.
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From the article it would appear so, possibly I suspect, a reaction to the same no win no fee, ambulance chasers, have you had an accident you are entitled to compensation brigade, who bombard us in this country, with unsolicited phone calls and constant advertising on radio and TV.

I remember my dad, (old school, try to resolve disputes and use litigation as a very last resort), many years ago when solicitors became able to advertise for business in the UK saying it was the beginning of the end for his profession, never knew at the time how right he was.
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Old 13th October 2017, 08:32 AM   #10
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Nick, Yes, and so true!

Similar in nature to your sentiment: Over the years my hip has developed some painful issues due to arthritis. With consistent bike riding, and low doses of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medicine, I would never know I had a problem. But it took 3 separate firm statements to both the orthopedic doctor AND to his surgery scheduler that I did NOT want hip replacement surgery, and did not feel it was needed at this time. When I left his office (their tiny empire), I felt like I'd just walked away from a used car salesman. I'm now worried that he won't renew my anti-inflammatory medicine because it's preventing him from making a lot of money on a procedure. So much for today's medical profession.
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Old 14th October 2017, 12:00 PM   #11
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Terry, sorry to hear that. As an orthopedic surgeon I will attest that there are cheesy elements in the profession that disgust me with their "salesmanship". Fortunately, you have the option to go somewhere else. I would advise shopping around and choose specifically one who is fellowship trained in hip arthroplasty if/when the time comes. If the current dickweed won't refill your NSAID, your primary doctor probably will
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Old 14th October 2017, 02:39 PM   #12
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This is moving away from the headline of this thread. the VANUK legislation could have a very real affect on every motorised vehicle , and particularly in respect to all motorsport activities, and I hope will be far too complex to be able to be enforced.
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Old 17th October 2017, 05:52 PM   #13
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Frank ....... are you also aware of the changes coming into effect next April with regard to MOT's.
If you own an old vehicle that is pre 1960 and therefore road tax and MOT exempt BUT you have done work on it to increase its power by more than 15% from its original spec then it will go back into the MOT loop.
The hot rod fraternity have just heard about this and you can imagine the concern this is causing.
The un-elected twits in the EU are just on a gravy train of creating/inventing more and more rules that keep them in their highly paid jobs.
Mark my words ...... one day the peasants will revolt and it will not be pretty !
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Old 17th October 2017, 06:02 PM   #14
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Steve, No, that's another new one on me! Gets crazier by the day.
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Old 18th October 2017, 01:35 AM   #15
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[If] you have done work on it to increase its power by more than 15% from its original spec then it will go back into the MOT loop...
Are they actually going to dyno every registered pre-1960 car?
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Frank ....... are you also aware of the changes coming into effect next April with regard to MOT's.
If you own an old vehicle that is pre 1960 and therefore road tax and MOT exempt BUT you have done work on it to increase its power by more than 15% from its original spec then it will go back into the MOT loop.
The hot rod fraternity have just heard about this and you can imagine the concern this is causing.
The un-elected twits in the EU are just on a gravy train of creating/inventing more and more rules that keep them in their highly paid jobs.
Mark my words ...... one day the peasants will revolt and it will not be pretty !
The thing that gets me about governments in general is the fact that they're continually sticking their noses into things about which they know n-o-t-h-i-n-g and passing laws regulating them w/o the slightest thought about - or nod toward - either logic OR common sense.

E.g.: "...(if) you have done work on (a pre-1960 vehicle) to increase its power by more than 15% from its original spec then it will go back into the MOT loop." WHY was "15%" chosen as thee 'guiding light' there? What 'scientific' theory/principle/law was employed to come up with that? As a practical matter, what difference does it make whether the h.p. is 'upped' by 15% or 20% - OR AT ALL for that matter? Most modified pre-'6o vehicles aren't driven more than a few hundred, to perhaps 1 or 2K(?) miles a year. They're weekend TOYS and toys only - NOT daily drivers that rack up tens of thousands of miles per year 'each'. The total annual pollution produced by all of 'em collectively would likely be exceeded by the yearly output of a single diesel transit bus fleet operating in any given 'big city'. $o, given that, why doe$ the government in$i$t it'$ nece$$ary for modified pre-$ixtie$ car$ to meet/pa$$ any environmental reg$/te$t$?

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