Hi all, maybe some of you will be interested in the attached figures.
In thinking about upgrading brakes, I wanted to try to quantify the more important parameters and look at the percentage improvements that might result.
Using Mathcad, I based the calcs on my cars cylinder and piston size / pedal ratio / disc size / pad area / wheel size / car CG height etc etc.
The calc method is based on solving brake balance and pedal effort required to get both front and rear tyres at the limit of braking for a given braking system.
In practice the balance would need to be a bit further to the front to avoid skipping of the rear.
The basic parameters are pedal effort, heat dissipation per unit pad area and line pressures, lots of other stuff is calculated along the way too, but I have just tabled the basic ones in the attached file. It's a work in progress, for example I dont have exact piston diameters for the standard calipers (think they are 1.75"), and the most difficult thing to quantify is the cg height (I guessed 15") but I think it gives a reasonable idea of what the effects are.
I have already removed the servos from the car and done a track day without, so I know that among other things I need to reduce the pedal effort, my rear pads also wore out, while the fronts are still useable, a consequence of using a rear brake setup sized for a front heavy car.
The cases I have used are based on keeping my 15" wheels, but I think the 315mm disc would be too big to fit, so I compared with a 295mm disc too. The small size CP5000 caliper has a smaller pad area than the standard front, increasing the heat dissipation per pad area, so the medium size caliper is a must for the front.
So with the options I have used, I am seeing a predicted reduction in pedal effort of around 45%, and a reduction in heat dissipation per pad area of 15%(front) and 33% at the rear. Bigger improvements would of course be available with larger discs / calipers in 17" wheels, maybe I'll look at those later.
Any comments suggestions (clean ones anyway) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif welcome.
regards
Dave
In thinking about upgrading brakes, I wanted to try to quantify the more important parameters and look at the percentage improvements that might result.
Using Mathcad, I based the calcs on my cars cylinder and piston size / pedal ratio / disc size / pad area / wheel size / car CG height etc etc.
The calc method is based on solving brake balance and pedal effort required to get both front and rear tyres at the limit of braking for a given braking system.
In practice the balance would need to be a bit further to the front to avoid skipping of the rear.
The basic parameters are pedal effort, heat dissipation per unit pad area and line pressures, lots of other stuff is calculated along the way too, but I have just tabled the basic ones in the attached file. It's a work in progress, for example I dont have exact piston diameters for the standard calipers (think they are 1.75"), and the most difficult thing to quantify is the cg height (I guessed 15") but I think it gives a reasonable idea of what the effects are.
I have already removed the servos from the car and done a track day without, so I know that among other things I need to reduce the pedal effort, my rear pads also wore out, while the fronts are still useable, a consequence of using a rear brake setup sized for a front heavy car.
The cases I have used are based on keeping my 15" wheels, but I think the 315mm disc would be too big to fit, so I compared with a 295mm disc too. The small size CP5000 caliper has a smaller pad area than the standard front, increasing the heat dissipation per pad area, so the medium size caliper is a must for the front.
So with the options I have used, I am seeing a predicted reduction in pedal effort of around 45%, and a reduction in heat dissipation per pad area of 15%(front) and 33% at the rear. Bigger improvements would of course be available with larger discs / calipers in 17" wheels, maybe I'll look at those later.
Any comments suggestions (clean ones anyway) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif welcome.
regards
Dave