I'll think you'll find the same thing happened at Renault for a while when Dave Richards left, he's a clever and successful motivator/team leader. Very charismatic and approachable. Honda has underfunded their F1 effort for several years, and don't forget, it evolved out of Mugen who are a preparation offshoot of Honda, so they didn't exactly chuck resources at it when it mattered (BAR, Jordan), and now they're paying catch up. BAR's performance last year was pretty much down to a good Geoff Willis chassis and underperformance from Renault, Williams and Maclaren. Plus, Jenson never really pushed Schumacher did he? Then there was the constant grenading of poor old sato's lump which was skilfully suggested as being the result of his "driving style". We are getting back to par now so BARs (Honda's) poor relative performance is spotlighted. As for Max, he's an accountant, and he did a great job at March didn't he? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif