Anybody knows this one?

weisserheilbronn · Mar 10, 2011

Hello folks,

found this one Ford GT40 als Sportwagen/Coupé in Heilbronn

Does anybody know this car? Too cheap for an original, too expensive for a replica......??

Markus

YerDugliness · Mar 10, 2011

470,000 Euros? What does that amount to in USD at the current exchange rate? If the current exchange rate is $2/Euro, that is close to $1M......

Nice looking car, though...Essex Wire colors?

I didn't take the time to copy and paste into a web-based translation program, anyone care to explain what all the German was saying?

Cheers from Doug!!

argonaut · Mar 11, 2011

There isn't much to say, there isn't much German but it reads
"car is fully restored, has a new FIA paper and it's race ready"
Other info, VAT is not refundable, it has done "1km"* and was first registered in May 1965."
That's it. I also followed the link to the seller's webpage, there is only the same information listed there so in short, not much information.

*I suspect this means that the seller had to enter something in the mileage field on the sales software for mobile.de and it wouldn't accept zero. Just a guess though.
Cheers,
Jason

BenL · Mar 11, 2011

One of the pages says (thanks to Google Translate)

VEHICLE DESCRIPTION
Fully restored vehicle. New FIA car pass. Race Finish.

Year: 05/1965

1010, 1026, and 1038 were Essex Wire cars. 1010 was built in 1965, but $650,00 seems too low for for an original car.

tractorboy · Mar 11, 2011

This could be a Gelscoe car. I think I recognize the background as where they have photographed some of their cars. If you check Gelscoe's webite (and its certainly worth it!!) you might see what I'm referring too in some of their photos.

jimbo · Mar 11, 2011

So it isn't really a 60s car, and might have an HTP but no serial number......

BenL · Mar 12, 2011

tractorboy said:
This could be a Gelscoe car. I think I recognize the background as where they have photographed some of their cars. If you check Gelscoe's webite (and its certainly worth it!!) you might see what I'm referring too in some of their photos.

I think you nailed it. One of their cars is painted in Essex Wire colors, and the couple of the photos seem to match the photos on the German site.

Gelscoe Motorsport - CHASSIS 4 GEL 004

argonaut · Mar 12, 2011

BenL said:
I think you nailed it. One of their cars is painted in Essex Wire colors, and the couple of the photos seem to match the photos on the German site.

Gelscoe Motorsport - CHASSIS 4 GEL 004

Looks like it, the pictures are identical - which makes it seem plausible that the German advert is a scam? Or is a Gelscoe really worth EUR470,000? Even if that were true, the German ad claims that the car is fully restored and says nothing about build date (other than claiming that the first registration date is My 1965 which seems not to be the case)

Cliffbeer2 · Mar 12, 2011

So why would a seller say "first registered in May 1965" ? Because they are declaring it to be an original 1965 GT40, which it clearly is not. In other words, a fraudulent misrepresentation.

The low price (for an original car) is suggestive that it's a fraud as well.

People trying to pass off new recreations as original cars is both a fraudulent act, and also damaging to the reputation and credibility of all GT40 owners (of originals and replicas alike). Why be a slime bag when you can instead be a stand up guy?? I just don't get it.

skeleton · Mar 12, 2011

You took the words out of my mouth......
+1

Cliffbeer2 said:
So why would a seller say "first registered in May 1965" ? Because they are declaring it to be an original 1965 GT40, which it clearly is not. In other words, a fraudulent misrepresentation.

The low price (for an original car) is suggestive that it's a fraud as well.

People trying to pass off new recreations as original cars is both a fraudulent act, and also damaging to the reputation and credibility of all GT40 owners (of originals and replicas alike). Why be a slime bag when you can instead be a stand up guy?? I just don't get it.

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