Aggressive US Tax Collecting

Ian Anderson

Lifetime Supporter
I know everyone on this forum is poor, but is this a fair tactic? Will this lighten the burden for US based taxpayers or will it all go to help fund your new Obamacare health system..?

BBC News - Why are Americans giving up their citizenship?

Sounds like the sort of thing Gordon Brown would have tried, of he had thought of it first.

Please can anyone tell me why USA think they can demand that any institution resident not in the USA comply with their laws?
Surely they only need to comply with the laws of the land in which they reside.

Americans on the other hand are welcome to the form filling nightmare that is US tax

Sometimes I am happy to reside in the UK (especially with a concervative government)


Ian
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
I know everyone on this forum is poor, but is this a fair tactic? Will this lighten the burden for US based taxpayers or will it all go to help fund your new Obamacare health system..?

BBC News - Why are Americans giving up their citizenship?

That's probably THEE biggest advantage of being super wealthy. If the govt gets too darned greedy - the wealthy CAN - and obviously some DO - get the heck out of Dodge...so to speak.

But, to answer your question, Keith (pretending for a moment you have no clue!), the wealthy ALREADY PAY 71% of the "income taxes" in this country. 47% to 49% of the people pay n-o-n-e at all. So, if "the wealthy" ALL get sick and tired of being sick and tired, 'pack their bags and split - guess who will be left behind to carry the tax load they've pushed off onto "the RICH" for so many decades? Uh huh. Zackly.

Govt really needs to WISE UP.

Maggie was RIGHT...
 

Keith

Moderator
You don't have to pretend - I know nothing of taxes nor am I particularly bothered, I had people to deal with any taxes that might have been payable all my working life and they never shared the intricacies with me, nor was I remotely curious.

I used to look at the earnings/revenues, compare that to the tax allegedly due, and if it appeared reasonable, sign a cheque.

If it didn't appear reasonable, I would send my people back to their desks and play with it until it was.
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
I had people to deal with any taxes that might have been payable all my working life and they never shared the intricacies with me, nor was I remotely curious.

DITTO!

When I was sixteen, I sat down with my tax return forms for the first time and started going through 'em. After reading things like, "If line 6 is greater than line 3, and this is a Tuesday - multiply the remainder by the amount found when subtracting line 26 from line 12...unless it's raining...in which case add the product deduced from multiplying lines 3 and 36...", I said "Heck with it"...'called my dad's CPA, and pros have done my returns ever since.

You K-N-O-W tax laws are faaaaaaar too complex when you LITERALLY have to have a computer/computer program to figure 'em out.
 

marc

Lifetime Supporter
There are many who feel a flat tax would be fair. no loop holes etc. Then all would pay. Would that be a hoot. I hear the screaming now(that would be unfair).
 

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
There are many who feel a flat tax would be fair. no loop holes etc. Then all would pay. Would that be a hoot. I hear the screaming now(that would be unfair).

What! Fair you can't have a fair tax that would mean the nasty rich people would only pay the same percentage as the poor downtrodden worker.:shout:
No that would never do:stunned:
 
And I'm still trying to figure out why the IRS needs 10,000 new shotguns and automatic weapons along with the 16,000 new agents.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
And I'm still trying to figure out why the IRS needs 10,000 new shotguns and automatic weapons along with the 16,000 new agents.

Gee Jack,

The answer is easy, they don't.

FROM FACT CHECK...........

FULL ANSWER
This wildly inaccurate claim started as an inflated, partisan assertion that 16,500 new IRS employees might be required to administer the new law. That devolved quickly into a claim, made by some Republican lawmakers, that 16,500 IRS "agents" would be required. Republican Rep. Ron Paul of Texas even claimed in a televised interview that all 16,500 would be carrying guns. None of those claims is true.

Jack, have you been watching Fox again?
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
There are many who feel a flat tax would be fair. no loop holes etc. Then all would pay...

Either that or a CONSUMPTION TAX...IOW, whenever you bought this-or-that you'd pay a fed tax on it. That way dope dealers, prostitutes, politicians (but then, I repeat myself) - EVERYBODY would 'get hit'.
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
What! Fair you can't have a fair tax that would mean the nasty rich people would only pay the same percentage as the poor downtrodden worker.:shout:
No that would never do:stunned:

I think it would if GROSS income were the basis for the calculation..no deductions for anything :idea:.

Doug
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
I think it would if GROSS income were the basis for the calculation..no deductions for anything :idea:.

Doug


Uuuuuuuuh, but Doug...a small businessman may GROSS $1Mil...but, after expenses, only NET $100K...and you don't think he ought to be able to "deduct" the $900K in 'overhead' outlays??? :stunned:
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
Perhaps in a different world it would be possible, but we have already proven that the affluent will lobby or elect representation that will write legislation that is favorable to them at the expense of the poor. If there were some way to limit the deductions so that, for example, a family who owned a competitive dancing horse as a hobby would not be allowed to deduct that as a business expense...and you know to whom I refer here....well, it MIGHT work...but I doubt it.

The issue as I see it is the increasing separation of our population into have's and have not's...if we can't stop the bleeding in that issue soon I fear we will have class warfare, and that didn't work out too well for Marie Antoinette, now, did it? Eventually the downtrodden will arise in angry rebellion (well, the TEA party already is, I admit, although I have a difficult time thinking of them as downtrodden) and if anger is involved surely violence isn't far behind.

Surely you admit that companies owning expensive properties solely to use as perks for their executives has little to do with the necessities of running their business. Sure, I've heard the arguments....it takes those perks to attract quality employees. Well, if those type of perks were not allowed as business expenses, then nobody would have an advantage...and, gee, perhaps, just perhaps, those businesses who operate on a shoestring might have a fighting chance to attract those very same quality employees who right now are bought by the rich corporations and individuals.

There just has to be a better way...no deductions for the business man, no deductions for the working man, just a straight, say, 9 or 10 % tax rate on GROSS income. I don't know, it just doesn't seem to me that the current status quo is really working for our society...sure, it's working for a few lucky individuals, but for our society as a whole, not so much.

Conservatives continually point out that in excess of 40% pay no income taxes...a statistic which I do not believe, BTW, because for most of my life I was in that 40% and I certainly don't remember even one year in which I didn't pay ANY income taxes. However, with my plan the poor would have to pay their "fair" share and it that was equivalent to the share paid by the affluent, well, maybe it might avert a societal upheaval that could threaten the entire country....I don't know, just doesn't seem to me that we're doing much about it. One answer might be to incorporate everyone...that way the poor could take advantage of the same business deductions as do the affluent....I could see making things even in the opposite manner to that which I described above....just make things "even" and "fair", that's all I care about.

Sorta like insisting that EVERYONE either have health insurance or pay some sort of penalty to cover the cost of those who don't have health insurance. Surely that's not such a unique idea, I suppose somebody has already thought of it....might have to check that out.

Cheers!!!

Doug
 
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