Congradulations All of us in the US owe Uncle Sam 2% more this year!

marc

Lifetime Supporter
Oh, you did not see that in the news. Or you just love giving your money to build your GT40 to Obama to give to his cronies. 450 mil went hollywood 185 to EPA Hell Nascar got 79 mil (if they pass that hurricane BS) and you thought wild pigs were just in the south. the big ones are in Washington DC!

Does your wife let you spend 300% of your paycheck? then why can Obama?

How come we give 1 Billion to a country that is building nuclear weapons promotes the death of america and now has the ability to put nukes in our backyard, I mean satellites in space?

Why does Harry Reid who came from Las Vegas poor, now a multi millionaire, staying in a penthouse in DC and only earns 230K a year from the govt.

Why do I have to pay "my fair share" when nobody else does?

How come you can be paid welfare checks in 4 different states and none know about the other.

All my cars are 8years or older and a welfare recipent was driving a 2012 Tahoe buying food with food stamps in line in front of me (insolent as can be no less) and barely spoke english.

Can somebody direct me to a place that I can enjoy driving and working on my cars and not have to give my money away to those that did not work at all in life yet be given everything.

Is there any place that does not have an ism in it? (IE socialism, communism, Islamism (sip), Nazism, fascism, etc. etc.)
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 70, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
Don't forget Conservativism!

Notice my signature line...I was happily retired for 5 years, then the economic downturn made it necessary to go to back to work. Took me a year to find a job at 50% of my previous salary....less than that if you factor in that I earn about 50% of my previous salary in 12 months, while my previous salary was earned in 10 months.

I should be pissing and moaning more than the rest of you who have an SLC to build, or a GT40 in the works, or....well, you get the idea without me having to mention a P4?

Seems like we might all have to give in a bit....help support those who need a hand up (note that I drive a 1998 Honda and a 1966 Ford, so I have no love for those undocumented immigrants who live 4 families to a house and send what money they don't spend on SUV's back to Mexico for their families), quit bitching and accept that the MAJORITY of the population in the USA wants more of what we had for the past 4 years. Count your lucky stars that you have adequate income to give more than you were.

Get a grip....GEEZ!!!!!

Cheers? For what??????

Doug
 
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Don't forget Conservativism!

Seems like we might all have to give in a bit....help support those who need a hand up (note that I drive a 1998 Honda and a 1966 Ford, so I have no love for those undocumented immigrants who live 4 families to a house and send what money they don't spend on SUV's back to Mexico for their families), quit bitching and accept that the MAJORITY of the population in the USA wants more of what we had for the past 4 years. Count your lucky stars that you have adequate income to give more than you were.

Get a grip....GEEZ!!!!!

Doug
Yes Doug, your party remains in control of government and we will all continue to pay a little more. But you aren’t really paying for it. We’re BORROWING it. But not just for the poor yet noble undocumented Mexican immigrant you mention striving for a better life for his family but also for a few other things:
- $27 million plan by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) to improve the economic competitiveness of Morocco involved training Moroccans to design and make pottery for sale both locally and in international markets.(Unfortunately the translator hired was not fluent in English and some of the materials used in the sessions were not regularly available in Morocco.)
- Cold War-era program called the Initiative for Proliferation Prevention has in many years been appropriated far more than it can spend. Contrary to its original mission of ensuring that former Soviet nuclear experts did not go to work for rogue nations or terrorist groups, the program has helped Russian weapons institutes recruit scientists. (The DOE says the program has created nearly 2,800 private sector jobs in … Russia. At last - stimulus that worked!)
-Helping the Smuttynose Brewery in New Hampshire, which has annual sales of more than $5 million, to use three-quarters of a million dollars in federal funds to build a new buy three new brew tanks. The owner of a competing new distillery said the grant to Clayton put him at a competitive disadvantage. (Maybe he could have a beer with the executives at Ford).
-How about the over half a million dollars for the Pentagon project dedicated to testing a process developed in France to develop a new form of beef jerky that resembles a Fruit Roll-Up. (Perhaps it’s appeal to the Obama administration). "The Pentagon could have simply purchased meat snacks from the numerous companies already producing these popular treats rather than creating its own brand of jerky". (Don’t start me on F16s to the Muslim Brotherhood controlled government in Egypt.)

But Doug, you also need to help support the:
-The half a million dollars in Community Development Block Grants provided by the Department of Housing and Urban Development to make pet toothpaste and shampoo.
-The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs spenting $175 million during 2010 to maintain hundreds of buildings that it does not even use. This includes a pink, octagonal monkey house in the city of Dayton, Ohio. (Shame it closed, I know where the monkeys could get all their beauty products).
-$325,000 National Science Foundation grant to make “RoboSquirrel,” a taxidermied rodent that can wag its tail. The purpose: to help study interactions between squirrels and rattlesnakes. (Do they shampoo those things?)
-The Alabama Watermelon Association got $25,000 in state-allocated federal funds — part of a $401,367 grant from the Department of Agriculture — to have its spokeswoman go on a promotional tour. (The Alabama Watermelon Queen is no doubt an inspiration to us all.)
-A total of $3 million has been granted to researchers at the University of California at Irvine so that they can play video games such as World of Warcraft. (Hope they don’t have access to assault rifles)
-$615,000 was given to the University of California at Santa Cruz to digitize photos, T-shirts and concert tickets belonging to the Grateful Dead.
-Stanford University received $239,100 to study how Americans use the Internet to find love and a safer and more discreet ways to find same-sex partners.
-The National Institutes of Health spent approximately $442,340 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam. (I wonder if they use the internet – contact Stanford)
-$1.8 million of U.S. taxpayer dollars went for a "museum of neon signs" in Las Vegas, Nevada.
-$35 million was reportedly paid out by Medicare to 118 "phantom" medical clinics that never even existed
-In California, one park received $440,000 in federal funds to perform "green energy upgrades" on a building that has not been used for a decade.
-No doubt to the horror of you gun control advocates, a Nevada park including a gun range was built by Bureau of Land Management (BLM) funds. This year, the park had $430,000 in revenues, but cost $1.3 million to operate.
-The National Institutes of Health was given $800,000 in "stimulus funds" to study the impact of a "genital-washing program" on men in South Africa. (Maybe they could just talk to the Vietnamese male hookers)
-$175,587 “to determine if cocaine makes Japanese quail engage in sexually risky behavior”. (Do they fly to Vietnam?)
-2.6 million dollars to train Chinese prostitutes to drink responsibly. (For those that “bat on the other side of the plate” and don't have internet access.)
-And occasionally there is just the carefree treatment of other people’s (the taxpayers) money. Such as when U.S. military spent “$998,798 shipping two 19-cent washers from South Carolina to Texas and $293,451 sending an 89-cent washer from South Carolina to Florida”.
-But my favorite is the expansion of the bureaucracy. Remember in 2010 the Obama administration says the government grew to 2.15 million employees that year, topping 2 million for the first time since President Clinton declared that “the era of big government is over” and joined forces with a Republican-led Congress in the 1990s to pare back the federal work force. Guess what, it’s now and they are enjoying generous benefit packages, federal workers earn significantly better compensation than similarly educated workers in the private sector according to the CBO.
-Doug, maybe you should have gotten a Federal job.
Over the last 30 years, the U.S. national debt has gotten 13 times larger. We have accumulated the largest debt in the history of the world and there is no end in sight. In fact the “balanced approach” Mr. Obama pressed to address the fiscal crisis and “reduce the debt” that he victoriously celebrated on TV, the national debt will increase by $4 trillion over the CBO’s 10-year baseline — from $2.9 trillion to nearly $7 trillion per the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). Balanced huh? But thien it doesn't apply to Mr. Obama. Taxpayers spent $1.4 billion dollars on everything from staffing, housing, flying and entertaining President Obama and his family last year. In comparison, British taxpayers spent just $57.8 million on the royal family. It is reported that taxpayers spend $102,000 per year on a “dog handler” for the president.
Eventually the rest of the world is going to lose confidence in the ability of the U.S. government to repay all of this debt. Once confidence in U.S. Treasuries is totally gone, and there are already signs this is starting to happen, the game will be over and the U.S. financial system will collapse.
Mr. Obama continues to act like it is "business as usual" and the wasteful spending just continues to get worse. Have you seen ANYTHING about actually trimming waste, duplication or meaningfully dealing with fraud? We’ve seen lavish conferences at government expense, stimulus that didn’t and shovel ready jobs that weren’t. Someday historians will look back and think that we must have been a nation full of idiots and morons supported by a voting population of the same ilk.
Keep working Doug, the government needs you!
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
Count your lucky stars that you have adequate income to give more than you were.

...but for how much longer? Maggie T. was right you know.

I love the way Obama (and the rest of the left's talking heads) continually tells us "the rich" (that's anybody who's working, evidently) need to pay "aaaaaah little bit more" aaand (another Obama-ism..."aaand") they should do so because it's "their FAIR share". Well, the top 10% already pay 71% of the tax bill. Might it not be time for the 47% who aren't paying a D-I-M-E (but are receiving plenty from the rest of us) to pony up a tad too?
(Shoot, as far as tax rates are concerned, even the FRENCH COURTS have rejected François Hollande's new SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT tax. Now, if the French can 'figger' it out...........)

The financial trouble we're in now is NOT the result of this or that group of people paying too little in taxes anyway. The problem is govt SPENDS far, far, faaaaar too much - and the clowns in D.C. just WILL NOT get serious about cutting it. (Remember when all the Tea Party candidates were elected back in 2010? They were elected to fight for 4 TRILLION $$$ in tax cuts, remember? What was actually CUT in real dollars? About THIRTY EIGHT M-I-L-L-I-O-N! Now, to be fair here, those Tea Party reps were not even close to being a majority voting block that could get it done on their own, but, that's not the point.)

The "debt ceiling" comes up for a vote here shortly. Let's see if this time around the GOP has the resolve to dig their heels in for meaningful spending cuts in exchange for raising the darned thing. Look for our credit rating to drop again if they don't. (And it IS the GOP who'll have to force it. The Dems will n-e-v-e-r cut spending on their own. NEVER.)
 
The problem is that the voting majority doesn't care about the deficit, jobs or anything farther in the future than a few days. What they vote for is more free stuff, and that was proved with the last election. Somehow, being against free contraception turned you into a women hater that wants to end all rights for women.

People were more concerned about that non-issue than any real problem this country faces.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
John,

Give it up, you lost the election, I'm happy paying a lttle more tax, they are still less than when the "Great Ronald Reagan" was President!

Calling women who think contraception should be included as part of health care......"sluts and prostutes", trying to force their conservative views of choice and ending Planned Parenthood, those are just some of the reasons they are seen as women haters!

Women who voted for Obama, 54%
Women who voted for Romney 44%

John, do you think that taking the side of the ultra rich over the rest of Americans, insulting Women, Immagents, Minorities and the 47% was a viable campaign stratagy?
 
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I guess expecting Congress to pull their heads out of their arses is too much to ask??

If they would stop spending money on unconstitutional items like a freaking robot-squirrel, our economy would be much stronger and we wouldn't be taxed as much.

Sorry, but as you can tell, I am not fine with getting taxed more while the government pisses away my money. I am not fine with Mr. Obastard saying that the rich have to "pay their fair share". They already foot most of the bill.

Fedzilla has grown way too big and needs some serious cutting.
 
Jim, if you target a group then offer to buy them free things, is that not buying votes?

Why did the whole contraception thing become an issue during the last election and only during the election?

How did we survive without free contraception?

Jim, is there anything the Dem's wont do to increase their chances of winning an election?

Also Jim, are you in the 1%? You live in the Bay area and have a '40. Not a cheap lifestyle...
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
John,

Give it up, you lost the election, I'm happy paying a lttle more tax, they are still less than when the "Great Ronald Reagan" was President!

Calling women who think contraception should be included as part of health care......"sluts and prostutes", trying to force their conservative views of choice and ending Planned Parenthood, those are just some of the reasons they are seen as women haters!

Women who voted for Obama, 54%
Women who voted for Romney 44%

John, do you think that taking the side of the ultra rich over the rest of Americans, insulting Women, Immagents, Minorities and the 47% was a viable campaign stratagy?
Good lord..

(1)...Buuuut of course it was alright for Bill Maher ("Ed" and others) to refer to Palin by the "c" word and the "t" word and whatever else, wasn't it. Well, or course it was. And it was alright for Fallon's(?) crew to play "Stupid Girls" when Bachmann walked on stage as well, right? Shuuuur it was. 'No "hate" on the left.


(2)Talk about trying to FORCE one's views on people: What about Obama trying to FORCE the Catholic Church to pay for birth control/abortion coverage???!!! Helloooooooooooo????! And THEN the Dems had the absolute GALL to accuse the GOP of running a "war on women" because they OPPOSED that???????!


(3)Nobody tried to "end Planned Parenthood"! END TAXPAYER FUNDING for it, yes.


(4)And can you explain why Sandra Fluke (or whatever her name is) evidently needed $4,000 worth of contraceptive "health care" over her "college career"???! That's what she testified as being the average outlay for a college dame. I haven't fact checked for myself, but t.v. reports said birth control pills run $9.00 a MONTH. If that's true, and the average college student graduates in 4 years...4 years is 48 months...48 X $9.00 = $432.00. Hellooooooooo???! Was she factoring "X" number of abortions in there or what?


(5) "...taking the side of the ultra rich over the rest of Americans...They didn't. Their position was that taxes shouldn't be raised on a-n-y-b-o-d-y...which was OBAMA'S position as well only a year-and-a-half ago!!!... insulting Women (reread the 1st red paragraph), Immagents (example?), Minorities (example?) and the 47% (Romney TOLD THE TRUTH about 'em) was a viable campaign stratagy? That wasn't the problem. The problem was he should have concentrated on the economy, our 16 T-R-I-L-L-I-O-N debt, and all the bull feathers Obama & co had pulled over the past 4 years.


In the end I doubt he'd have won anyway no matter what he did. It's pretty clear to me - and I refuse to sugar coat it - that we now have more career paracites who milk the system than we have "producers" who are voting in this country today, and they vote for whomever they believe will keep the wheels on their gravy train greased. 'Just my honest opinion.

What I r-e-a-l-l-y find fascinating with regard to the anti-Bush-tax-cuts liberals is how TODAY they're totally onboard with that whole program - well, except where the top 1% are concerned, of course. THEY'LL FIGHT TO THE DEATH for the $80 Billion extra a year they can squeeze out of THEM...even though that'll only fund the govt for about 8 days at the current rate of spending. But, heeeeeeeey, we GOTTA have the BUSH TAX CUT RATES (that we demonized for y-e-a-r-s) for everybody else. What Hypocrites.
 
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Very nice post Veek. Those are some great examples of unexcusable spending and we should all be angry about it. I do think the spending cuts will come and maybe it is better they were not packaged with the Cliff deal. Again, it will have to be a comprosmise to get anything through. What are the chances that anything gets passed in a timely fashion?

I understand the frustration, but lets not forget this is not just the fault of one party.

"The Center for Budget and Policy Priorities has estimated that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, together with the Bush tax cuts, will account for almost half of the projected $20 trillion debt in 2019."
By Danielle Kurtzleben
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
...Such as when U.S. military spent “$998,798 shipping two 19-cent washers from South Carolina to Texas and $293,451 sending an 89-cent washer from South Carolina to Florida”.!
Trust me when I tell you I don't doubt the validity of what you stated for even a SECOND - but, what the devil was THAT all about??????????????? How could EVEN THE GOVT find a way to blow so much money doing so little?????????
 
It seems like someone rather send for some large military aircraft to bring them a washer than go to the local hardware store to get it themselves.

Or, they are laundering money somehow....
 

marc

Lifetime Supporter
Doug, don't blame govt you did not save enough to retire or did the union run off with your pension like the one I know in El Paso?

OC when govt makes the rules the costs go up.

Larry you can't believe the govt can blow that kind of money. Do you believe in Santa still too!

Veek, yes it is one partys fault. Dems controlled congress since 2006. guess when we went in the crapper?

Larry, Sandra Fluke (the hipocrisy in the name) is needing condoms inclusive so at .50 a balloon she would have porked 7200 guys, or all the athletic groups on her campus including the coaches.

OC, leave Jim alone, he is a union man, on retirement with a 40 he stole from his college roomate for favors.

danimal congress will pull their collective head out of their a$$ out when you stop thinking they have a head. or a brain. just their hands out.

Jim you are that willing to pay more in taxes, I'm comming over to "ask" for your 40. If your will to give up money Im sure you give up the 40 too.


Veek you type too much


Yes every one I drank too much tonight.
Thank you thank you!
 
"]estimated[/URL] that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, together with the Bush tax cuts, will account for almost half of the projected $20 trillion debt in 2019."
By Danielle Kurtzleben
This is part of the government spending charade. How can a war that ended in 2011 (Iraq) and a war projected to end in 2014 (Afghanistan) contribute to the current $16 trillion going to $20 trillion (some say $25 trillion) you reference? If we are out of Iraq, why aren't our annual deficits below the $trillion Mr. Obama is currently spending? If the nearly $trillion dollar stimulus was in 2009 why hasn't the federal budget decreased after that???
Hint: they are spending the money elsewhere and by the game they call "baseline budgeting”. The Congressional Budget Office defines the baseline as a benchmark for measuring the budgetary effects of proposed changes in federal revenue or spending, with the assumption that current budgetary policies or current services are continued without change (even if they are for a past war or stimulus program). The baseline includes automatic adjustments for inflation and anticipated (read that, any number they want it to be) increases in program participation. Baseline, or current services budgeting, therefore builds automatic, future spending increases into Congress's budgetary forecasts. They forecast next year’s spending from last year's not on what is needed - EVEN IF IT WOULD NEVER BE SPENT. They can and laughingly call lowering unrealistic future projections of the growth of spending "deficit reduction". It works both ways, the fictional projected economic revitalization (under 8% unemployment of the Obama "shovel ready" stimulus projected much higher employment - and tax revenue) that would also offset increased rates of spending. The White House projected that the GDP growth rate would “accelerate in 2011 to 3.8 percent and . . . exceed 4 percent per year in 2012-2014.”
In the real worls, 2010, the GDP growth rate was 2.4 percent. In 2011, it declined to 1.8 percent. In the first quarter of 2012 the GDP growth rate was 2 percent, in the second quarter it was an anemic 1.3 percent and in the third quarter it was 2 percent. To quote my LSU classmate Mr. Carville, only a politician “threading the needle” could refer to this economy as “growing stronger” or to the purported “recovery” as “speeding up.”
Back to spending, according to CBO numbers the cost of Operation Iraqi Freedom was $709 billion for military and related activities, including training of Iraqi forces and diplomatic operations. The projected cost of the stimulus, which passed in February 2009, expected to have a shelf life of two years, was $862 billion. Yet we are adding $4 trillion to the deficit.
■The 2001 and 2003 tax cuts were responsible for just 14 percent of the swing from the projected cumulative $5.6 trillion surplus for 2002–2011 to an actual $6.1 trillion deficit. The vast majority of the shift was due to higher spending and slower-than-projected economic growth.( If the Bush tax cuts were intended for the wealthy were so awful, why did Mr. Obama make them permanent for 99.4% of the population?)
■President Barack Obama’s assertion that most future deficits will result from the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the Medicare drug entitlement is based on faulty methodology, but is still wrong even using that methodology. Above-average spending, not below-average revenues, accounts for 92 percent of rising budget deficits by 2014 and 100 percent by 2017.
■Nearly all rising spending will occur in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and net interest payments not to mention the $trillion dollar expense of Obamacare, not past wars. President Obama’s 2013 budget shows (see page 208) that Social Security will add more than $100 billion to the deficit this year, rising to more than $200 billion by 2022. According to these figures, Social Security will contribute $1.6 trillion to deficits (and thus the national debt) over the next decade.
The government answer to the spending has been simply to print more money as evidenced by the collapse of the dollar since 2001 (a dollar in ’01 bought 1/250th of an ounce of gold, today it buys 1/1600th) not to mention the price at the pump or supermarket checkout. Besides confiscatory taxation it’s another way they can eviscerate their obligations is to debase the dollars they are presumed to owe.
The truth is, entitlements are bankrupting us and until there is a massive overhaul, our economic failure is certain and BOTH parties and their absurd accounting are to blame.

Sorry I type too much, it's the OCD. Im sure there's some sort of government handout for it though.
 
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Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 70, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
Doug, don't blame govt you did not save enough to retire or did the union run off with your pension like the one I know in El Paso?
Wrong again...retired early in order to get the only retirement option TRS was offering that interested me....the IRS was forcing them to place restrictions on it that would keep me out. I bit the bullet knowing that as inflation had it's predictable effect I would probably have to go back to work sometime, but at least now when I pass on my daughter gets the same monthly check from TRS that I get, and for the rest of her life, too. Sound too good to be true? Did to me!

Yes every one I drank too much tonight.
Thank you thank you!
....aaaaaah....that explains it :idea:

Cheers!

Doug
 

Steve

Supporter
Pat,

You hit the nail on the head. The problem is spending, plain and simple. Obama would have us believe it's a lack of revenue problem. If you taxed the top 1% at 100% (that's right, take everything they earn, every last penny) we'd still be running a deficit each year and add to the debt. Very disingenuous from a president who will leave office having essentially doubled our debt and racking up as much debt than all previous presidents combined. Disingenuous is a kind word. He's frankly lying to the American public while he accelerates the problem to a point that it may be irreversible.

I also agree that both parties have been guilty of ignoring the problem for too long and both have kicked the can down the street. At least conservatives in the house are trying to push for spending cuts. Our president, as usual, wants to spend even more with the increased revenue.

The defenders of Obama like to continually say "Well, he won the election so the majority are behind him so just deal with it". Pretty arrogant. Assumes that the majority understand anything of what's been posted here, which of course they don't. Even if 99% of Americans voted for him and these policies, it doesn't make them right nor does it mean they're not ultimately self-destructive.

Half my family is Greek. The stupid Greeks kept voting for their corrupt spend-happy govt and as recent as 2010 my relatives didn't think it would bite them. It has and when it started crumbling it fell fast and their entire society is shell-shocked. Lesson: even governments have to live within their means.
 

marc

Lifetime Supporter
Favorite line in move " Son, your body is writing checks you can't cash!" Written prior to 1985 more valid today in govt than every before. sooner or later it is going to bite us big time.
 
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