London Riots

[Pete McCluskey.]

Is this a media beat up, or is it as bad as it seems?
Multiculturalism at work or just bad people? Either way very sad to see.

RIOT police have faced off with youths in fresh violence in London in the third day of disorder after some of the worst rioting in the British capital in years at the weekend.

Scores of young people gathered in a main street in the eastern district of Hackney, smashing up buildings and breaking into a truck that became stranded in the middle of the road, pulling out its contents… Several parked cars were also set on fire…

The trouble began when police tried to carry out a stop and search operation, the BBC said....

Police were also called to Lewisham in south London, where a handful of cars were set alight and several shops were looted.

In Peckham, a poor area in the south of the capital, TV pictures showed a business premises on fire, with flames threatening to spread to neighbouring properties. Youths also tried to set fire to a double decker bus, which was left badly scorched.

The riots broke out in the north London district of Tottenham on Saturday night, following a protest against the death of a local man in a police shooting last week, and the violence spread to other parts of the city on Sunday.

Police said they had made 215 arrests since the riots began with the youngest person arrested an 11-year-old boy. Thirty-five police officers have been injured.

The districts worst hit by the violence at the weekend - Tottenham, Brixton in south London, and now Hackney - are multi-ethnic areas which have high rates of unemployment.

 

[Nick]

Pete,

Just bad people I suspect, as a local said many of those he saw causing trouble were not from the local area.

 

[Keith]

You could have put money on it. It's summer, any excuse, although we haven't seen this for a while, it pops up now and then. Many white people involved as well. Looting seems to be the aim of most of it.

Unemployment? Ah, that old chestnut. But it can and probably will spread in copycat incidents. Media are drooling over this of course.

Family of deceased want nothing to do with it and most ethnic "minority" (I would question that) leaders are totally against it, so the community as a whole are trying to reign in these kids. Number involved? In all, several hundred I would guess.

Comment of the day: BBC reporter from Tottenham when asked how things were at midday today:

"Well, I guess it's hard to loot when the shops are open and everyone can see you, so it's quiet at the moment, yes"

Everyone is pretty much agin it all and hopefully it will soon die down, but the weather will be nice tomorrow. Why is this relevant? No-one in the UK "riots" in the rain.

 

[Mesa]

Fair weather rioters then?
Right.

 

[Nick]

You could have put money on it. It's summer, any excuse, although we haven't seen this for a while, it pops up now and then. Many white people involved as well. Looting seems to be the aim of most of it.

Unemployment? Ah, that old chestnut. But it can and probably will spread in copycat incidents. Media are drooling over this of course.

Family of deceased want nothing to do with it and most ethnic "minority" (I would question that) leaders are totally against it, so the community as a whole are trying to reign in these kids. Number involved? In all, several hundred I would guess.

Comment of the day: BBC reporter from Tottenham when asked how things were at midday today:

"Well, I guess it's hard to loot when the shops are open and everyone can see you, so it's quiet at the moment, yes"

Everyone is pretty much agin it all and hopefully it will soon die down, but the weather will be nice tomorrow. Why is this relevant? No-one in the UK "riots" in the rain.

Keith,

Spot on now spread to Croydon, Liverpool, and Bristol

 

[Jon Briggs]

This has nothing to do with multiculturalism or the police shooting or the stop and search incident. It's all to do with thievery and vandalism. There is no political statement or reason. It's just thuggery.

 

[Keith]

Yeah, but it gets them out of the house doesn't it?

I mean, what to do during school holidays anyway? :shrug:

 

[Charlie Farley]

Anyone out there want to buy slightly smoke damaged plasma screens ?

 

[René]

there is no excuse for all of this, its like a war-zone...
I get very angry when I see those young people doing stuff like that, they get feed-ed and they got a home and money in the UK and then they do this...they bite the hand that feeds them...
most are those youngsters with caps and shirts with caps (how do you call those) to hide their face...like criminals and drug-users mostly wear.
They ruin much lives their from people who worked hard for their property...its shocking.

 

[Jon Briggs]

Anyone out there want to buy slightly smoke damaged plasma screens ?

I'll trade you for some slightly singed mobile phones.

 

[Graham]

You gotta love the people who politicise these events. People like radical left winger Diane Abbott blaming everyone bar the people actually doing it, or the "youth leader" who blamed the police for the Tottenham incident, because they had parked two police cars "provocatively".

How do you park a car "provocatively"? Answers on a postcard...

When are the people in power going to discuss the elephant in the room?

Most communities go about their business trying to better the life they have for themselves and their families. Some, unfortunately do not, and please don't give me the old chestnut that there are no opportunites. Billions has been pumped into the "inner cities" in an attempt to change moral compasses, but it hasn't worked. I use the words "moral compasses" because this is the fundamental issue here. It's not a lack of jobs.

Rampant unchecked immigration under the last bunch of tosspots has helped to cause these issues, and I fear that they will become more frequent. I was disgusted to see the looting and burning going on. You can't politicise what they were doing. They were a mob of scumbags hell bent on personal gain and nothing else. They have no morals and as such should have no rights to go along with it.

Apologies if I sound a tad right wing, but in issues such as these, hand wringing and blaming ourselves simply won't wash.

 

[Ian Anderson]

Bring the army back from Afghanistan and let them take control of the streets.

Or bring in the water cannon with indellible ink - round the little shits up any time over the next 2 weeks!

But I guess instead it will be hand wringing again

Graham - you speak too much truth there - sorry you cannot be a politician- ever! :laugh:

Ian

 

[Ian Anderson]

Extent of riots in London seen here - "borrowed of another site" but not verified in any way


London riots / UK riots: verified areas - Google Maps


Ian

 

[Max Walter]

Bring the army back from Afghanistan and let them take control of the streets.

Or capture the culprits and dump them in Afghanistan...

 

[Keith]

Or bring in the water cannon with indellible ink - round the little shits up any time over the next 2 weeks!



Ian

Sorry, Ian, wouldn't work - you wouldn't be able to see it mate..

 

[Grady]

Now I know you have and have used rubber bullets, but the use of CS gas generators, pepper spray, and tasers will help control riots especially in narrow streets. How about all the cameras in London? Wouldn't that aid with ID of the leaders? It is indeed strange that Detroit and LA, the poor (mostly their choice), burn their houses and local business that serve the community. I hope that it comes under control soon.

 

[Terry Oxandale]

I'm unsure of my feelings of the police response to this problem. Kudos to their appearance of some kind of disciplined response without leveling a big hammer. Obviously there are pros and cons to such a controlled response, but it's a tribute to your police to mix it up as they do, in the way they do it. I'm sure this response must be escalated at some point to preserve what is left.

Here in the US, the police take the simple way out; shoot the protesters under the guise of 'personal threat', and then walk away with a life-time pension for being traumatized beyond the ability to perform duties (Okay, maybe a little harsh, but not too far from the truth).

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[Pete McCluskey.]

You gotta love the people who politicise these events. People like radical left winger Diane Abbott blaming everyone bar the people actually doing it, or the "youth leader" who blamed the police for the Tottenham incident, because they had parked two police cars "provocatively".

How do you park a car "provocatively"? Answers on a postcard...

When are the people in power going to discuss the elephant in the room?

Most communities go about their business trying to better the life they have for themselves and their families. Some, unfortunately do not, and please don't give me the old chestnut that there are no opportunites. Billions has been pumped into the "inner cities" in an attempt to change moral compasses, but it hasn't worked. I use the words "moral compasses" because this is the fundamental issue here. It's not a lack of jobs.

Rampant unchecked immigration under the last bunch of tosspots has helped to cause these issues, and I fear that they will become more frequent. I was disgusted to see the looting and burning going on. You can't politicise what they were doing. They were a mob of scumbags hell bent on personal gain and nothing else. They have no morals and as such should have no rights to go along with it.

Apologies if I sound a tad right wing, but in issues such as these, hand wringing and blaming ourselves simply won't wash.

Agreed 1000% Graham.
These problems started when the first parent was prosecuted for spanking a child. These little shits have no respect whatever for property, the law of the land or themselves. They know they can literally get away with murder.
It is time to come down hard on these poor "disadvantaged youths".
Disadvantaged? they don't know what the word means!
Whoever said spare the rod and spoil the child had it right.

 

[Nick]

London riots: hundreds answer appeal to clean up streets | UK news | The Guardian

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

Makes you all warm and fuzzy, but they would be better off cleaning up the thugs who caused the mess.