Is the right to bear arms outdated.

[Jim Craik]

More stupid gun deaths

N.Y. Cop Shoots, Kills 'Intruder' Son

July 23, 2012
An officer with the Parry (N.Y.) Police Department shot and killed his 37-year-old son early Saturday in a hotel, after mistaking him for an intruder.

Hug Triggers Officer's Gun, Kills Woman

July 9, 2012
Adaisha Miller, who would have turned 25 today, was embracing the officer when the shooting occurred near 12:30 a.m. Sunday. The officer was carrying his .40-caliber service pistol in an inside-the-waistband holster he covered with his shirt.

Toddler Son of Calif. Cop Fatally Shot

July 6, 2012
The toddler son of a San Jose police officer was shot and killed at home in Gilroy in what investigators believe was a tragic accident Thursday afternoon.

Wash. Officer Pleads Not Guilty In Accidental Shooting

June 8, 2012
A Washington state police officer accused of leaving a loaded handgun in the family van where his young son could grab it and fatally shoot his 7-year-old sister has pleaded not guilty to a second-degree manslaughter charge.

Wash. Officer Charged In Daughter's Death

May 23, 2012
Prosecutors have charged a Marysville (Wash.) Police officer with second-degree manslaughter in the death of his 7-year-old daughter who was fatally shot by the officer's son.

Daughter of Wash. Officer Dies After Shooting

March 12, 2012
A Marysville (Wash.) Police officer's 7-year-old daughter, who was wounded Saturday afternoon when her sibling fired a gun that was inside their parents' van, died at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle early Sunday.

Third-Grader Shot at Wash. School Remains In Critical Condition

February 23, 2012
Students returned to Armin Jahr Elementary School Thursday in Bremerton, Wash., a day after a third-grader was accidentally shot after a gun in the backpack of another student discharged.

N.J. Cop Accidentally Shoots Self While Apprehending Suspect

January 27, 2012
A Jersey City (N.J.) Police officer accidentally shot himself during a fugitive apprehension in Elizabeth Thursday night. He was shot in the abdomen.

Firearm Safety for the Home Front

October 22, 2010
Whether you have a safe and secure place, utilize gun locks, safe boxes or hidden compartments, you must have the family meeting. You need to tell each and every dweller with you the rules and allow no compromise.

Stumbling Cop Who Shot Suspect Won't Be Charged

October 15, 2009
A San Mateo, Calif., police officer won't be charged for shooting and wounding a suspect in August, partly because his gun went off by accident when he tripped on a curb, authorities said Wednesday.

Little Girl Accidentally Shot by Iowa Deputy's Shotgun

August 4, 2009
A 3-year-old girl suffered minor injuries Sunday after a young boy allegedly fired a shotgun mounted in a Polk County sheriff's deputy's car on display in a Des Moines park.

Albuquerque Officer Killed in Home Shotgun Accident

September 26, 2008
Lt. Todd Parkins, 38, was killed Wednesday when his shotgun accidentally went off inside

 

[marc]

So disarm everyone including the cops.

 

[Jim Craik]

This just shows that even in the possesion of trained professionals, guns are still very, very dangerous. In the hands of the average untrained gun owner........deadly!

 

[marc]

Oh wait I missed the stupid gun deaths. Darwin would help me here but thinning the herd is a fact. How it happens big deal. They don't put the everyday homicides on the front page because the media is into MAKING MONEY. The more bull you read from them, they have a job. Jim don't be naive. Stuff happens, you just don't want it to happen to you. If you don't like guns, stay away from them.
A gun is a tool. Like a hammer or screwdriver or a nail gun, its what you do with it that makes it dangerous.

 

[Jim Craik]

Marc you dismiss the deaths with............."Stuff Happens"

Here is more "stuff"

Gun Accidents Kill 500 Kids a Year

This week, a toddler fatally shot himself after finding a gun in his parent's car. According to Jackson, Miss., authorities, the 3-year-old was sitting in the car at a gas station when he found the gun in the front seat and shot himself in the face. Police questioned the boy's parents, but no charges have been filed.
But these aren't freak accidents. More than 500 children die annually from accidental gunshots. Some shoot themselves, while others kill friends or siblings after discovering a gun.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found more than 1.7 million children live in homes with loaded and unlocked guns.

And if you do own a gun and think your kid won't get to it, listen to this: A recent study published in the Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine found 39 percent of kids knew where their parent's guns were stored, while 22 percent said they had handled the weapons despite adult's warnings to stay away.

What's more, age was not a factor in whether children had played with the guns -- 5-year-olds were just as likely to report doing so as
14-year-olds.

Here are just a few heartbreaking cases:

-On July 19, 4-year-old Dylan Jackson shot himself to death after finding a loaded gun at a friend's home during a birthday party.

- A 3-year-old Southeast Washington boy shot himself in the foot and grazed his hand while playing with his father's gun -- which he found lying on the floor.

- A 2-year-old Tampa boy shot himself in the chest with a loaded 9 mm he found in his parent's couch while playing.

- Last February, a 13-year-old boy shot himself with a semiautomatic handgun in the home of his guardian, a Maryland police officer.

- The 10-year-old son of a New York City police officer died after shooting himself in the face with his father's loaded revolver. The boy found the weapon on a shelf in the basement while looking for a ball his mom had hidden.
Is there a way to stop these senseless deaths?

Gun and Shooting Accidents




Some more recent gun and shooting accidents involving children include:

• a 2-year-old in Cooper County, Missouri, died after shooting himself in the head with a handgun that "he got a hold of" in his house.
• a 3-year-old in Loris, South Carolina, near Myrtle Beach, died after shooting himself in the head with a pistol that he found in the car.
• a 5-year-old in Belleville, Illinois, near St. Louis, was accidentally shot in the head with a shotgun by his 10-year-old brother.
• a 3-year-old in Maryland Heights, Missouri, near St. Louis, who shot himself once in the chest, died. He found the gun in his parents bedroom, one of whom is a police officer.
• a 2-year-old was shot in the head by his 5-year-old brother in Connersville, Indiana who was playing with a gun he found in a bedroom. The boy, a twin, died of the gun shot.
• a 3-year-old in St. Louis, Missouri who died after she shot herself in the head with a gun she found tucked between two mattresses.
• a 6-year-old who was shot and killed by his 11-year-old stepbrother, in what was initially thought to be an accident, but the boy is now facing possible murder charges. The two boys were left home alone at the time of the shooting in Martinsville, Indiana.
• a 10-year-old in Bay St. Louis, Mississippi died after he shot himself with his grandfather's gun that he found in his nightstand. He would have been going into the fifth grade next fall.
• a 15-year-old from Cherry Hill, Baltimore was shot in the head and killed by a 12-year-old friend who was playing with the gun during a sleepover.
• a 5-year-old from Bossier City, Louisiana found a loaded handgun a cabinet in his home, and accidentally shot and killed himself.
• a 2-year-old near Fresno, California found a loaded, semi-automatic handgun in his home, walked into a bedroom with the gun, and it fired, striking and killing his 6-year-old sister.
• a 3-year-old in South Carolina was shot in his upper boy by his uncle who was cleaning his gun when it accidentally fire. The toddler died in emergency surgery.
• a 2-year-old in Georgia was shot in the back by a 9 or 10-year-old who found a gun in a van they were all playing in while the toddler's family was preparing to move to a new apartment.
• a 2-year-old in Phoenix was shot in the face with a handgun by her 8-year-old brother, who thought he was playing with a toy gun he found on the floor of his grandfather's apartment.
• a 3-year-old in Summerville, South Carolina who died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to her head after finding a loaded, unsecured handgun on the window sill of her parent's bedroom
• a 5-year-old in Telferner, Texas who shot his 4-year-old brother in the abdomen with a rifle they were playing with in their home. His brother died from the gun shot wound.
• a 2-year-old in Missouri who died after he accidentally shot himself in the head after finding a loaded handgun on a shelf in the closet of his parent's bedroom
• an 11-year-old in Indianapolis who was accidentally shot by his brother
• three children in Houston who were hurt when a 6-year-old accidentally fired a gun he had brought to school
• an 8-year-old in Alabama who died from an accidental shotgun blast
• a 2-year-old in Vermont who died after he was accidentally shot with a rifle by a sibling
• a 10-year-old who lost use of his right eye after being shot by an older teen cousin while they were playing with a gun that they thought was unloaded
• a 3-year-old in North Carolina who shot and killed himself
• a 4-year-old who accidentally shot a 12-year-old in Louisiana while playing with a rifle they found in a closet

Stuff happens?


Gun lovers have shown a complete inability to keep guns from not only:

Criminals..............
Crazy people........

But Children.............what is wrong with you people?

 

[Keith]

Business a bit slow? :shifty:

 

[Tom P]

No Jim you are wrong.

There is a lot of misinformation circulating about background checks for gun ownership.
Under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act—which created the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS)—all federal firearms licensees are required to conduct a background check for all firearms transactions, even if they sell the firearm at a gun show. This is to make sure that the gun isn’t being sold to a person who is prohibited from purchasing a gun under Section 922(g) or (n) of Title 18 of the United States Code, which would include convicted felons, people who have been adjudicated to be severely mentally ill, and people who have been convicted of a domestic violence offense.

Background Checks: The Myth of the Gun Show Loophole

 

[Tom P]

Canadian News Anchor Issues Ominous Warning to America: Gun Registration Will Lead to ‘Confiscation’ | Video | TheBlaze.com

 

[Tom P]

Somemore "accidents" for you Jim.
NCSA Crash*Stats 'Early Estimate of Motor Vehicle Traffic Fatalities for The First Nine Months (January–September) of 2012' (DOT HS 811 706), A statistical projection of traffic fatalities for the first nine months of 2012 shows that an estimated 25,580 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes. This represents an increase of about 7.1 percent as compared to the 23,884 fatalities that occurred in the first nine months of 2011.

In 9 months, that's twice as many as the total that die each year from guns, accidental and others.

 

[Tom P]

Once again, this is going nowhere, adifukinous!

 

[marc]

Jim,
I don't know what the worst killer of children, and it is tragic, and I'm sad for their parents loss. My sister-in-law deals with the tragedy of child deaths or terminal ill and help the parents with the ordeal and how to move on as Doctor of neonatal pediatrician (ret).
As a gun is a dangerous instrument, people are instinctively aware of that danger. Do accidents happen, all the time. But to shout at the top of your lungs that guns should be outlawed when carelessness and stupidity are the reasons that most of the accidents that happen then what are really asking for? You can't outlaw crazy anymore. The asylums are technically gone. And criminals don't believe in the law. Utopia does not exist yet. In Heaven, maybe no guns. Hell same thing. But those don't work on the soul.

Yeah I care, but stuff happens.

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

I think this thread is an indicator that neither side will ever agree on how to solve the problem of mass shootings.
I think we should agree to disagree and move on, nothing achieved.:dead::dead::dead::shrug::shrug:

 

[Tom P]

I think you are right!

 

[Jim Craik]

No one had posted on this thread in 5 days, until yesterday when once again the usual pot stirrer TomP, stirred the pot.

TomP, next time you think about posting about guns, remember your words:

Once again, this is going nowhere, adifukinous!

TomP, instead of stirring up shit, for a change, why don't you tell us about your car......do you have one?

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

No one had posted on this thread in 5 days, until yesterday when once again the usual pot stirrer TomP, stirred the pot.

TomP, next time you think about posting about guns, remember your words:



TomP, instead of stirring up shit, for a change, why don't you tell us about your car......do you have one?

So that's not stirring shit?

 

[Jack]

All of these dead horses remind me of a slaughter house raided today...

 

[Keith]

TomP, instead of stirring up shit, for a change, why don't you tell us about your car......do you have one?

:wrongforum:

 

[Keith]

I think this thread is an indicator that neither side will ever agree on how to solve the problem of mass shootings.
I think we should agree to disagree and move on, nothing achieved.:dead::dead::dead::shrug::shrug:

But there again Bruce, you knew that when you posted it, hien? :drunk:

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

But there again Bruce, you knew that when you posted it, hien? :drunk:

Yep kiss me Hardy, I knew it on my first post.
You cannot convince zealots of either persuasion, I was however hoping for some reasoned and well thought out debate.:uneasy:

 

[Keith]

Yep kiss me Hardy

.:uneasy:

Pete mate, have you been out in the sun? Are you travelling on the other bus nowadays? :worried: