Hello everyone,
This is my first post here on the site. I have really enjoyed looking at some of the innovative projects you all are putting together. So... the title may have caught a few of you off guard as I am not trying to build a race car from scratch, but a small 4x4 off-road rock crawler the size of a Suzuki samurai ( off-road 4x4 vehicle that travels through challenging terrain such as rocks, mud, snow, etc...) <!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shapetype id="_x0000_t75" coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="75" o
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I have been doing a lot of research for the design of the vehicle. I actually plan on using a motorcycle engine, ranging from 600cc to 1300cc that will then mate up to either a 012 or 016 transaxle, or maybe another transaxle I haven't even thought of.
The reason behind using either the 012 or the 016 transmission is because I need to use a fwd transaxle for starters. I plan on using it as a second transmission in addition to the motorcyles. Using the fwd trans out of either the 012 or 016 will give me the correct input and output rotation which will allow the vehicles axles to rotate the proper way to make it go forward. Basically instead of using cv shafts that go to the tires, the cv shafts will go to both a front and rear solid axles acting more like drive shafts.
Another reasoning behind using these transaxles, is for their availability and how cheap they are.
What I kinda know about the 012:
The 012 is able to at least handle 207 ft-lbs of torque since it was available for the passat 2.8L 30v.
With the torque rating on the motorcycle engine being at least 240 ft-lbs (600cc suzuki gsxr) after coming from the crankshaft going through the motorcycle’s primary and transmission gears, it’s a little unsettling as I don't exactly know the max torque rating that the 012 can handle from the manufacturer.:huh:
I did see the recent thread titled "Audi/Getrag Codes and Gear ratios" saying the 012 could handle 310NM since one of the models of A6/A4/Pasatt's engines was rated at this. The problem is that I haven’t been able to physically find the model the 012 is in that is rated at 310Nm(228ft-lbs).
I have read that the Porsche boxster 5speed also contains a 012 with opposite final drive rotation., but once again I haven't been able to find anything discrete about max input torque.
What I kinda know about the 016:
This trans was available in the audi 5000's, which I’m not quite sure what years. I have read that it has an ability to handle quite a bit of torque, not sure if this is more or less than the 012.
Main concerns:<o></o>
Chris<o></o>
This is my first post here on the site. I have really enjoyed looking at some of the innovative projects you all are putting together. So... the title may have caught a few of you off guard as I am not trying to build a race car from scratch, but a small 4x4 off-road rock crawler the size of a Suzuki samurai ( off-road 4x4 vehicle that travels through challenging terrain such as rocks, mud, snow, etc...) <!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shapetype id="_x0000_t75" coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="75" o
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The reason behind using either the 012 or the 016 transmission is because I need to use a fwd transaxle for starters. I plan on using it as a second transmission in addition to the motorcyles. Using the fwd trans out of either the 012 or 016 will give me the correct input and output rotation which will allow the vehicles axles to rotate the proper way to make it go forward. Basically instead of using cv shafts that go to the tires, the cv shafts will go to both a front and rear solid axles acting more like drive shafts.
Another reasoning behind using these transaxles, is for their availability and how cheap they are.
What I kinda know about the 012:
The 012 is able to at least handle 207 ft-lbs of torque since it was available for the passat 2.8L 30v.
With the torque rating on the motorcycle engine being at least 240 ft-lbs (600cc suzuki gsxr) after coming from the crankshaft going through the motorcycle’s primary and transmission gears, it’s a little unsettling as I don't exactly know the max torque rating that the 012 can handle from the manufacturer.:huh:
I did see the recent thread titled "Audi/Getrag Codes and Gear ratios" saying the 012 could handle 310NM since one of the models of A6/A4/Pasatt's engines was rated at this. The problem is that I haven’t been able to physically find the model the 012 is in that is rated at 310Nm(228ft-lbs).
I have read that the Porsche boxster 5speed also contains a 012 with opposite final drive rotation., but once again I haven't been able to find anything discrete about max input torque.
What I kinda know about the 016:
This trans was available in the audi 5000's, which I’m not quite sure what years. I have read that it has an ability to handle quite a bit of torque, not sure if this is more or less than the 012.
Main concerns:<o
></o>- I really want to find a transaxle that is able to handle a decent amount of torque (225ft-lbs at least to 350ft-lbs) that I can just pull out of the junk yard with some minor maintenance of course. <o></o>
- Hopefully it will be light (around 125lbs)<o></o>
- Have a short overall length (around 25")<o></o>
- The transaxle must be manual as an automatic will not work<o></o>
- A 5 speed is preferred as it will be a second transmission or more of a transfer case (way in which to multiply the gearing to allow the vehicle more torque for crazier obstacles.)The main tranny will be the motorcycles so a six speed audi/vw trans will be overdone.<o></o>
- I was also hoping to be able to use a push/pull shifter setup which sound like a possibility if the 012 is made for Porsche as I have read the boxsters have this type of system.<o></o>
Chris<o
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