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While some of you probably know this, we dealt with a Muslim problem 230 years ago, it's nothing new.

Why the Marine Hymn Contains the Verse "To the Shores of Tripoli"


Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the United States had declared war on Islam and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!


At the height of the eighteenth century, Muslim pirates were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic.


They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their government and family members to pay whatever their Mohammedan captors demanded.


These extortionists of the high seas represented the Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers – collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast – and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic.


Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France. However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets.


Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy. Beginning in1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America’s Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war.


In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.


In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli’s ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."


Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.


Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.
Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thugery for long enough, decided that is was finally time to meet force with force.


He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to “cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war
would justify”.


When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line “to the shores of Tripoli” in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as “leathernecks” for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.


Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.


America had a tradition of religious tolerance, the fact that Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States.


This should bother every American. That Muslims have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged; Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from their menus; on and on and on and on….


It’s death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamists agenda. Sadly, it appears that today’s America's leaders would rather be politically correct than victorious!


research it for yourself, do a search for Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World.
 
So America decides to instigate a false flag terrorist attack namely the world trade centre, to give them the right to go charging around the Middle East killing indiscriminately. Yeah right
 

marc

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Bob, do you think that anyone, anyone in America with any sense of reason would do what those terrorists did on 9/11/2001? You may be one of those that believe the faking of landing on the moon, 3000 people died at the World Trade Centre, from all over the world. And yet you think that this made up? An elaborate scam to go and pick on muslims? I know you live down under, but you don't know bush. First off the American political machine would have been destroyed if it was done in house. The country would have completely dismantled itself. This is not a Stalin or Mao type of country in which the leadership could kill anywhere near that many people and gotten away with it. Our country has enough trouble making one or two people disappear without a big discussion. See some of those members of the Clinton Administration during the Whitewater affair. While not to piss off Australia, y'all are not "in the game" ya know. Been there, seemingly nice cosy life not a lot of crime, and not a lot of problems 'cept corruption at the government level. That sort of stuff is normal greedy politicians ya know. Wait till you cow tow to all the political activists to shut their mouth. We don't know how to fix it without changing our constitution so we live with it.
 
People or should is say Sheople will not believe small lies, I hate the fact that so many innocent lives were lost because your government is evil. But if you believe that those three buildings fell down because of fire, you need to look back in history, a sky scraper has never fallen down from fire, ever, yet 3 buildings did in 2001, and building 7 was not even hit by a plane. Ever seen controlled demolitions? Surprisingly similar don't you think.
Anyway there are so many people that believe what they are told, who controls all the media? wake up folks, do some research these are not just conspiracy theories.
 

Pete McCluskey.

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To say the least I am gob smacked. Are you really saying Bob that 9 /11 was some sort of plot created by the American Government or its agencies?
 

Larry L.

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It's really strange this thread should pop up right now, because just the other day Elvis and I were opining on this very topic over a couple of 'toddies'...
 

Rick Muck- Mark IV

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Larry, that is NOT true! It is not possible because Elvis and Bigfoot were at MY place all day!

I dismiss most all of the "conspiracy" theories as it is patently not possible to keep a secret when there are more than ten people involved. And an operation like that would have taken a lot more than that.

But hey, Whoopie Goldberg believes it so it must be true!
 

Jeff Young

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Good grief. Casting the war with the Barbary pirates as anything other than a trade war is ridiculous. It was money based, not religious based. The Barbary pirates captured ANYONE's vessels they thought they could get away way.

And the reason the ransom was paid? For many years, until the first four superfrigates (Constitution, President, United States and one other I can't remember) were built, we had nothing we could use to stop the pirates.

The "Halls of Tripoli" portion of the Marine hymn refers to the rather audacious assault on a fortress by about 40 US Marines and local yokels they hired to help after a long overland trek in the desert.

So a portion of that article is useful to Americans, while the last half is a bunch of hogwash.
 

Keith

Moderator
Total Garbage. I had tea with Elvis and Diana on the shores of the sea of tranquility that afternoon.

Now then David, that should be a 'S' capital and 'T' capital. We must keep the standards high..But I have a question: Did the lack of (or functioning) intestines hinder either in the consumption of their cucumber sandwiches?
 

David Morton

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I was going to call it Mares Tranquillitum but my Latin is not quite what as it was when I got expelled (from Latin). Some bright fuckwit will put me right.
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
Larry, that is NOT true! It is not possible because Elvis and Bigfoot were at MY place all day!

Total Garbage. I had tea with Elvis and Diana on the shores of the sea of tranquility that afternoon.



I calling "B.S." on the both o' yuz.

YOUR "Elvis" DUDES obviously must have been a couple of those 'Vegas 'impersonator'-types who just happened to be in your area(s) on vacation that day... :snobby:
 
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