Slc chassis 023

[Ron McCall]

maybe i have no business posting in this thread.. but i don't care..

this thread might as well be shut down, i have absolutely no idea why it was started.. it is by far the lamest attempt to dog RCR i can imagine.. and if there was a problem between Fran and one of his customers which you are not.. what in the world is it doing on here? especially considering nothing is actually being discussed other than some vague nonsense...

what a waste of a thread!

VERY well said.
Gary S: Why do you feel that it is your responsibility to "warn" the rest of the forum when it is not even your car to begin with?

 

[GARY_S]

for clarity.. another thread was closed and craigs blogspot was mentioned before i had time to answer.​

I started this thread to inform people that buying a SLC TK maybe is no more from fran.... and if it is....well it shouldnt be.... (due to the problems encountered and non finishing/development) .....craigs car didnt even come with a key (turnkey?) and the dash wasnt finished....maybe billy meads cars are in a better position..??​

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If it is a case of "builders" having to finalise details/development then any buyer needs to be aware that the Kit isnt yet a complete tried and developed kit for the road....if it is where is RCRs "complete" ROAD demo.....???​

Also be prepared to add alot of hidden costs to the base price....or dont do it on a budget.......think mouller indicates that he is STILL awaiting parts to be developed....then surely this says that as yet its NOT a Turnkey option.............​

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craig is away (as usual) sunning himself (again).... as mouller says i am sure he will contribute when he is back.......​

 

[GARY_S]

I could be off base here but it appears the issue is with the state/quality of the build and not the quality of the kit? If Craig purchased the car to meet a stated specification and it was delivered not meeting those specifications then that is something Craig and Fran need to work through.

For most of us (I think) these cars (RCR or other component cars) are purchased as hobbies/projects. We make the car of our dreams - ourselves - or pay someone else to perform specific tasks such as painting or upholstery. A fully turnkey car is something totally different. I think it is very unfortunate that it appears Craig's car did not meet his expectations and it sounds as if Fran has learned something about supplying (not) turnkeys - just my impressions from what I've read. Obviously, Fran and Craig can speak for themselves when they return.

I haven't started building my SLC yet but I don't look at it through rose-colored glasses. I fully expect there to be things that will need to be adjusted or changed to meet my build expectations. IMHO RCR has provided a very good base for a spectacular car. But in the end, it is up to the builder to get it there.

I wish Craig only good things with his SLC and hope it provides him with many years of enjoyment. I'd still love to see more pictures!

Regards,
Dave L

A very astute and accurate asessment of the situation Dave - excellent base for a spectacular car but not a turnkey by any stretch of the imagination. I was at the meeting when the order was placed and this car when delivered was no where near what was ordered and paid for (ie a TK car, UK compliant and ready for the road) . 16 weeks after delivery it has had many hours work and $000's spent but has still not turned a wheel, been SVA'd let alone been driven on the road.

have no doubt this will be a spectacular, safe and reliable car when finished which I feel sure Craig will only be too pleased to show the world - which was not the case when it arrived in the UK despite Fran's assurances!

 

[GARY_S]

1 last thing for a while I promise

"potentially an awesome car - shame it has been put together by a 6 year old"

quote: test examiner on 1st test failure

 

[Ron Earp]

for clarity.. another thread was closed and craigs blogspot was mentioned before i had time to answer.​

Gary S,

I believe you have contacted me before about posts on the RCR forum and disparaging the fact that threads could be closed by the RCR moderator on this subforum.

I'll explain it once more - the RCR subforum is paid for and moderated by RCR, just like the Tornado subforum is paid for an moderated by Tornado. If you do not want to run the risk that your thread will be shut down then do not start threads in this or other moderated subforums. These sponsored subforums are advertising venues and the owner of the subforum is allowed to decide what will and will not be shown in the subforum.

If wish to discuss a product or service of which you are the owner then post a thread in the Feedback Forum, Feedback: Buyers, Sellers, & Vendors - GT40s.com. That subforum, like the rest of the forum, is not subject to manufactuer influence and a discussion can be had about both positive and negative experiences. However, I strongly encourage you, or anyone else who wishes to use the feedback subforum, to be factual, concise, and well-organized in their posts to that subforum. I would consider this rambling thread you've generated here to be none of those things.

Thank you,
Ron

 

[GARY_S]

comments duly noted Ron many thanks

Craig's blog will be updated sometime later today I understand

 

[Paul Osborn]

[snip]

For most of us (I think) these cars (RCR or other component cars) are purchased as hobbies/projects. We make the car of our dreams - ourselves - or pay someone else to perform specific tasks such as painting or upholstery.

[snip]

I haven't started building my SLC yet but I don't look at it through rose-colored glasses. I fully expect there to be things that will need to be adjusted or changed to meet my build expectations. IMHO RCR has provided a very good base for a spectacular car. But in the end, it is up to the builder to get it there.

Regards,
Dave L

My opinion on this kerfuffle is that the affected parties seem to be presenting their facts and opinions respectfully and with restraint, so this thread has not descended to the level of a mosh pit of drunken bikers from rival gangs. As long as we are all civil, a frank exchange of views is healthy, right?

I must agree w/Dave. When one decides to build a car, I think the healthiest attitude one can adopt is: I am on my own. One can approach a kit provider and make an agreement to purchase a box of parts in various states of assembly, but - the way I see it - that is an independent transaction one chooses to enter on the quest to build one's car. There will be missteps along the way that will cost time and money.

We are all adults here. We have all bought things in the past that did not live up to our expectations. Sometimes it's because our expectations were way out of line, sometimes it's because the seller did not deliver as promised (for whatever reason), and sometimes it's a combination of the two.

Finally, I am simply offering my views on the decision of building a car, and I AM NOT COMMENTING ON THIS TRANSACTION. IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS, and, again, the affected parties seem to be handling the issue just fine.

Thanks for listening to my $.02.

 

[brad]

oh thats right i forgot the car fell apart and caught fire...
is that up on youtube or something .. hahahahaha

 

[Craig Gillingham]

flipping eck....was laying around and thought it was the med sun that was burning my ears!!!

had a text message alerting me of this thread...couldnt decide wether to contribute or not...damned if i do....damned if i dont.

Let me start by saying GaryS is a long term friend and he has seen as much as this car as anybody out there and been there through thick and thin....wouldnt have got this far without him.....it was him that convinced me to buy in detroit.......... that said he is totally his own person and posts comments in his own right...knowing gary he will say it how he sees it....a pure and honest guy.....looking after the common man....apart from racing where he was a right barging tw @t....hehehehheheh

Moving on....there is obviously a world of difference between:
a bunch of kit components to make up the ingredients for a multitude of home builders to contend with
and
a car that can be stated as a world class, factory hand built supercar on every level....... with a single parameter of design, build and construction....

my car is now with a great team of VdeV racing car guys that are making my car WORLD class, UK/EU compliant and have longevity and reliabilty..forget ultima its zonda that the car is going for.........heady statement???

We will not rest until this is the case. I make no apologies that my level of standard remains high in everything i do.....it has to be the best.....maybe because when i was young i had fook all!!!!!!!!!

RCR are in the loop on whats being done and i am sure anouncements and officialism will be stated after the car has road legal status.........before this time arguments about what and what doesnt need to be done technically are immaterial....but rest assured alot has been done....

Watch this space for shock and awe when my car is released......
b back after IVA pass time.............whenever that may be...

chow!

 

[Jack]

Thank you Craig! Well stated.

 

[Doc Kaler]

Craig,

I'd like to thank you for your addition to this thread as well! Keep up the good work and I look forward to some more info and photos of your SL-C.

 

[J. Salmon]

if it is where is RCRs "complete" ROAD demo.....???

Dad just dropped the demo off in Detroit last week. We had a lot of fun with it.

It's not complete for the road, but how on earth would RCR have a complete road demo when the car continues to be developed? And how do you build a completely personalized car for everyone?

I think Dean is trying it next.

 

[GARY_S]

Originally Posted by mog2244
if it is where is RCRs "complete" ROAD demo.....???

Dad just dropped the demo off in Detroit last week. We had a lot of fun with it.

It's not complete for the road, but how on earth would RCR have a complete road demo when the car continues to be developed? And how do you build a completely personalized car for everyone?

I think Dean is trying it next.

please quote in full if you are going to quote me! this is what I posted

If it is a case of "builders" having to finalise details/development then any buyer needs to be aware that the Kit isnt yet a complete tried and developed kit for the road....if it is where is RCRs "complete" ROAD demo.....???

so the answer is - as per your reply "there is NO ROAD demo" and the car is under development which is exactly as my full quote above!

I merely stated that to sell TK cars potentail buyers should be made aware of this - simple is it not?

The demo I saw was nothing more than a race car, worlds apart from something that could be used on a UK road but thanks for confiming part of my original posting

 

[Alex]

flipping eck....was laying around and thought it was the med sun that was burning my ears!!!

had a text message alerting me of this thread...couldnt decide wether to contribute or not...damned if i do....damned if i dont.

Let me start by saying GaryS is a long term friend and he has seen as much as this car as anybody out there and been there through thick and thin....wouldnt have got this far without him.....it was him that convinced me to buy in detroit.......... that said he is totally his own person and posts comments in his own right...knowing gary he will say it how he sees it....a pure and honest guy.....looking after the common man....apart from racing where he was a right barging tw @t....hehehehheheh

Moving on....there is obviously a world of difference between:
a bunch of kit components to make up the ingredients for a multitude of home builders to contend with
and
a car that can be stated as a world class, factory hand built supercar on every level....... with a single parameter of design, build and construction....

my car is now with a great team of VdeV racing car guys that are making my car WORLD class, UK/EU compliant and have longevity and reliabilty..forget ultima its zonda that the car is going for.........heady statement???

We will not rest until this is the case. I make no apologies that my level of standard remains high in everything i do.....it has to be the best.....maybe because when i was young i had fook all!!!!!!!!!

RCR are in the loop on whats being done and i am sure anouncements and officialism will be stated after the car has road legal status.........before this time arguments about what and what doesnt need to be done technically are immaterial....but rest assured alot has been done....

Watch this space for shock and awe when my car is released......
b back after IVA pass time.............whenever that may be...

chow!

So if you had to break down your issues you've had with it, as received from Fran, into 3 separate categories, what weighting (out of 100% total) would you give each:

A - Issues that make it an unsafe fire & death trap that should never have been (e.g., potential fires, untorqued suspension bolts, etc...)

B - Issues that are necessary to pass SVA, but arn't really "important" (e.g., you need backup lights to pass, but he didn't wire any in; important in this case meaning stuff that would make it a rolling fire/death/etc... trap)

C - Issues that arn't "important" (important using same definition as above) that are necessary in your eyes to have the perfect car (e.g., door locks)

?

 

[Alex]

The demo I saw was nothing more than a race car

For some us that's good enough for a road-worthy car epper: