The us election 2012 - obama or romney?
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Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Jim, the reason the Brits have such high debt is years of a fiscally inept social
Government. Pity you guys didn't learn anything from that bit of history.
Government. Pity you guys didn't learn anything from that bit of history.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Pete,
We got our debt from years of fiscally inept conservative Government, it's a pity you refuse to see that.
Both the UK and Australia have a higher debt per person than the US, yet you folks continue to take pot shots at America. Why?
We rarely if ever speak negatively about your economys, we rarely if ever speak negatively about your Govenments.
The British debt per person is many, many times higher than ours, yet they feel perfectly justified in giving us advice. WHY?
We got our debt from years of fiscally inept conservative Government, it's a pity you refuse to see that.
Both the UK and Australia have a higher debt per person than the US, yet you folks continue to take pot shots at America. Why?
We rarely if ever speak negatively about your economys, we rarely if ever speak negatively about your Govenments.
The British debt per person is many, many times higher than ours, yet they feel perfectly justified in giving us advice. WHY?
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Not 2 world wars then?
Jim, The US debt from Carter to the present is Democrats $7.29 trillion, Republicans $8.26 trillion, but fear not, by January 2017 you guys wll have a $4trillion lead.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Tom,
The economy is comming back, fairly strongly around here, median home prices are up 10%+. The cost of government is down and taxes will be raised on the very wealthy. If the current trends continue, you Republicans will keep that hard earned lead in debt production
The economy is comming back, fairly strongly around here, median home prices are up 10%+. The cost of government is down and taxes will be raised on the very wealthy. If the current trends continue, you Republicans will keep that hard earned lead in debt production
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What do home prices have to do with national debt? The cost of government is coming down? BO racked up more debt in four years than almost all other presidents combined. With no election to worry about that trend will only increase.
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Jim, before our current socialist Government took power we had a comfortable
SURPLUS.. Now after only a few years the Gillard Government has created massive debt. It's a pity you won't accept that.
The Brits have huge debt because of 15 years of an inept socialist Government.
SURPLUS.. Now after only a few years the Gillard Government has created massive debt. It's a pity you won't accept that.
The Brits have huge debt because of 15 years of an inept socialist Government.
Tom,
The economy is comming back, fairly strongly around here, median home prices are up 10%+. The cost of government is down and taxes will be raised on the very wealthy. If the current trends continue, you Republicans will keep that hard earned lead in debt production
The cost of government is down? In what country? You guys just got a substantial tax increase in CA, I imagine the middle class and below will just be overjoyed. City bankruptcy is getting to be a way of life in CA. Jim, would you care to make a friendly wager on what party leads in national debt per president from Carter to 2016? We'll have 65 million on just food stamps by 2016, but look at the votes you'll have.
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Well worth reading and remembering, maybe using by some of us who care.
My highlightingand remarks in green.
The 47% majority
A bit of an early post mortem on the American election but we have to start somewhere.
Possibly the most crucial determinant of the result is that the American voting population is now inhabited in very large numbers by those who believe the world owes them a living and that someone else having more than they do is in itself a wrong that needs to be righted.
There is, however, more to it than that.
The confluence of the mendicants, the envious, the abortion lobby, what I will call the cohort of damaged women, and the social sciences know-nothings has proven a formidable combination.
They are a new constituency amalgamation that will affect the politics of the United States for the foreseeable future.
The Mendicants
So far as those who vote for a living are concerned one can understand why they are voting as they do. There are more of them than ever as their numbers have been propagated by leftist parties everywhere with the specific aim of building near-majority voting blocks. And this they have done. Whether it brings ruin to the country is merely a detail and as ruin is so slow, the present political class hopes to be gone and done before things really do fall about their heads. That was the view of the Roosevelt generation as it had been for those who took their lead from Lyndon Johnson.
But now, with the $16 trillion debt and another trillion added each year, this may be the generation that finally does have to pay the price. Greece is more than a metaphor. It is an example of what really can happen when public spending moves beyond control.
In the meantime, there are large parts of the electorate voting for the services and goods that the government promises to distribute to them. Romney nearly having won after making it clear that he intended to withdraw the supposedly free healthcare was a sign of the residual good sense in much of the voting population -- but that 47%, as he named them, are a hard bunch to pry loose from their spoils. It may take an outcome no different from Greece, where the government point blank can no longer afford to pay for its promises, that may well be the only way this will ever end.
The resentful and the envious are the second cohort; they are the ones who had been instructed to vote for “revenge”. That Obama used precisely that word was seen as a blunder by those who had no idea just how potent the word was. This had been market tested and focused grouped to an extraordinary degree and was launched just when it was meant to have its greatest effect, just before the election itself.
It is a word that makes little impact on people who are generally satisfied with their lives. The dangers in it went right past the Romney campaign team just as you might think. They even put the word revenge into their own ads and spread far and wide the very concept Obama was himself trying to promote.
It may strike the wrong tone for us, but for those who are worm eaten withenvy, they understood the point very well indeed. They were there in their numbers with no greater aim in mind than to bring down those whom they resent and envy for their perceived success in life.
For those who were never going to vote for Obama anyway, it was just one more reason amongst all of the others. For those towards whom the desire for vengeance was aimed, it found its mark and made them into broken glass Democrats. They were motivated to make sure Romney was never going to win if they had anything to do with it, and they did have something to do with it and Romney did indeed lose.
An important component of this part of the Democrat program is the bringing into the fold what I describe as “damaged women”. This is a relatively new phenomenon in politics which has existed in various forms before now but has emerged only recently as a formidable force for right of centre parties to have to deal with. It is a product of the feminism of the 1960s which unmoored women from their traditional roles but had as its most significant element the “sexual revolution”, a change in social mores euphemistically known as “sexual liberation” but which is anything but. It has made the abortion-rights issue possibly the greatest gift ever for the Democrats in the US.
And here is the thing. The likelihood that the Republicans would even attempt to do anything about “reproductive rights” cannot be seriously entertained. The ability to restrict a woman’s ability to secure an abortion in New York or California, let us say, would require a Republican to be elected with the expressed intent of limiting abortion, who would then make appointments to the Supreme Court dependent on this one feature in a judge’s CV. This judge would need to receive approval in the Senate and, having done so, would then need to form part of a majority decision to repeal Roe v. Wade. After repeal there would then have to be legislation passed to make abortion illegal; such legislation would be unlikely to pass a single state house in the United States.
Thus, the probability of any of this ever happening, whoever might become the president, is precisely zero. Abortion rights are as secure as, indeed more secure, than the right to bear arms. It might as well be in the Constitution, given how literally impossible it would be to change the circumstances for abortion in any significant way, never mind the availability of contraception.
And what’s more, everyone knows it. Anyone who votes based on some concern that the Republican Party would be capable of making this change even if it wished to is living in a world of paranoia and might as well be worried about asking the government to protect them from men from Mars. The reality, however, is more closely represented by this video which is funny in a very unfunny way. Do not play this in an office environment and make sure you turn the volume down. I also give you a bad language alert. But the point is massive.
I could only stand a few seconds.
Miss 31 voted for Obama and is representative of the women who are in massive agreement with the cries of misogyny and the lack of respect for women.
There is no point going too far into this, but the most influential social philosopher of the twentieth century was Hugh Hefner and his Playboy Philosophy. You would have to be at least as old as I am to recall what a shock it was to read Hefner’s “philosophy” in the pages of Playboy back when I was about 14 in the 1960s. Here’s the gist: all those uptight girls hanging onto their virginity ought to liberate themselves and get into the sexual scrum with the boys. In an era when a goodnight kiss was a big deal this was magic. And with the likes of Germaine Greer and her buddies saying the same just as the birth control pill was becoming readily available, a new world opened for which neither the young women of the time or the young men were really prepared.
But who has come out of this genuinely hurt by the changed attitude to women. Both men and women are worse for it, but if you ask me, it is women who have been psychologically damaged far more than the men. And I suspect Miss 29 has not avoided the deep and fearsome pains of commitment-free sexual relations either.
These are the attitudes that Obama was tapping into. Watching the Middle East burn and the American economy trashed by debt and deficits are irrelevant to such women whose anger is beyond all understanding, particularly for men of my and Romney’s generation.
Social Sciences Know Nothings
And then, finally, there are the social sciences know nothings. It is a term I have put together for want of something better. They, too, love power, but have no way to gain it other than through the words they use.
These are the armchair Marxists and social revolutionaries of the couch. All talk and no action, but there is plenty of talk. They produce little and their value-added is minimal in comparison with the serious producers of the world. They have read the literature of the left, they have thought their shallow thoughts, and they are irritated that the riches of the world often go to people who never graduated from universities and who might be unable to string five sentences together in a single paragraph. These are your academics and media types who, in their own way, may be the most envious and resentful of the lot.
And it has been clear from the start that the media have understood exactly how bad Obama has been because they have known with precision exactly what parts of what Obama has done or said that have required their cover.
Just like the Australian Broadcasting Corporation - ABC - TV and Gilllard's blunders.
Obama has had to lie over Benghazi and so they have covered for him to the maximum extent they could. Obama tells producers "you didn't build that" and the media runs dead with the quote so that it never really becomes as significant as it ought to be. They know exactly how dreadful Obama has been, and cannot even manufacture a greater good, that their lies and distortions have protected the community from having to do without, had Obama lost the election in spite of every service they rendered in defence of his reputation and image.
We are in dangerous times. Obama and Gillard are two of a kind. Empty of ability, proven failures at everything they have tried to achieve, but nevertheless able to command majorities in the legislative systems of our two nations.
But the American election is the one that will matter most and whose outcome will resonate far into the future in ways that are incalculable. Re-electing Obama has endangered our way of life and may even make it unsustainable. Electing Mitt Romney would have given at least the possibility of putting us back on a more stable path. It is an option that has now been closed forever. It is the alternative future that, because of the election, will never be allowed to happen
Steve Kates teaches economics at RMIT University.
My highlightingand remarks in green.
We are in dangerous times.
Obama and Gillard are two of a kind. Empty of ability, proven failures at everything
they have tried to achieve, but nevertheless able to command majorities
in the legislative systems of our two nations.
they have tried to achieve, but nevertheless able to command majorities
in the legislative systems of our two nations.
The 47% majority
by Steve Kates
November 8, 2012
November 8, 2012
A bit of an early post mortem on the American election but we have to start somewhere.
Possibly the most crucial determinant of the result is that the American voting population is now inhabited in very large numbers by those who believe the world owes them a living and that someone else having more than they do is in itself a wrong that needs to be righted.
There is, however, more to it than that.
The confluence of the mendicants, the envious, the abortion lobby, what I will call the cohort of damaged women, and the social sciences know-nothings has proven a formidable combination.
They are a new constituency amalgamation that will affect the politics of the United States for the foreseeable future.
The Mendicants
So far as those who vote for a living are concerned one can understand why they are voting as they do. There are more of them than ever as their numbers have been propagated by leftist parties everywhere with the specific aim of building near-majority voting blocks. And this they have done. Whether it brings ruin to the country is merely a detail and as ruin is so slow, the present political class hopes to be gone and done before things really do fall about their heads. That was the view of the Roosevelt generation as it had been for those who took their lead from Lyndon Johnson.
But now, with the $16 trillion debt and another trillion added each year, this may be the generation that finally does have to pay the price. Greece is more than a metaphor. It is an example of what really can happen when public spending moves beyond control.
In the meantime, there are large parts of the electorate voting for the services and goods that the government promises to distribute to them. Romney nearly having won after making it clear that he intended to withdraw the supposedly free healthcare was a sign of the residual good sense in much of the voting population -- but that 47%, as he named them, are a hard bunch to pry loose from their spoils. It may take an outcome no different from Greece, where the government point blank can no longer afford to pay for its promises, that may well be the only way this will ever end.
The Resentful and the Envious
The resentful and the envious are the second cohort; they are the ones who had been instructed to vote for “revenge”. That Obama used precisely that word was seen as a blunder by those who had no idea just how potent the word was. This had been market tested and focused grouped to an extraordinary degree and was launched just when it was meant to have its greatest effect, just before the election itself.
It is a word that makes little impact on people who are generally satisfied with their lives. The dangers in it went right past the Romney campaign team just as you might think. They even put the word revenge into their own ads and spread far and wide the very concept Obama was himself trying to promote.
It may strike the wrong tone for us, but for those who are worm eaten withenvy, they understood the point very well indeed. They were there in their numbers with no greater aim in mind than to bring down those whom they resent and envy for their perceived success in life.
For those who were never going to vote for Obama anyway, it was just one more reason amongst all of the others. For those towards whom the desire for vengeance was aimed, it found its mark and made them into broken glass Democrats. They were motivated to make sure Romney was never going to win if they had anything to do with it, and they did have something to do with it and Romney did indeed lose.
The Abortion-Rights Lobby
An important component of this part of the Democrat program is the bringing into the fold what I describe as “damaged women”. This is a relatively new phenomenon in politics which has existed in various forms before now but has emerged only recently as a formidable force for right of centre parties to have to deal with. It is a product of the feminism of the 1960s which unmoored women from their traditional roles but had as its most significant element the “sexual revolution”, a change in social mores euphemistically known as “sexual liberation” but which is anything but. It has made the abortion-rights issue possibly the greatest gift ever for the Democrats in the US.
And here is the thing. The likelihood that the Republicans would even attempt to do anything about “reproductive rights” cannot be seriously entertained. The ability to restrict a woman’s ability to secure an abortion in New York or California, let us say, would require a Republican to be elected with the expressed intent of limiting abortion, who would then make appointments to the Supreme Court dependent on this one feature in a judge’s CV. This judge would need to receive approval in the Senate and, having done so, would then need to form part of a majority decision to repeal Roe v. Wade. After repeal there would then have to be legislation passed to make abortion illegal; such legislation would be unlikely to pass a single state house in the United States.
Thus, the probability of any of this ever happening, whoever might become the president, is precisely zero. Abortion rights are as secure as, indeed more secure, than the right to bear arms. It might as well be in the Constitution, given how literally impossible it would be to change the circumstances for abortion in any significant way, never mind the availability of contraception.
Damaged Women
And what’s more, everyone knows it. Anyone who votes based on some concern that the Republican Party would be capable of making this change even if it wished to is living in a world of paranoia and might as well be worried about asking the government to protect them from men from Mars. The reality, however, is more closely represented by this video which is funny in a very unfunny way. Do not play this in an office environment and make sure you turn the volume down. I also give you a bad language alert. But the point is massive.
IF you want to hear it, Click on:- http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/qed/2012/11/the-47-majority
I could only stand a few seconds.
Miss 31 voted for Obama and is representative of the women who are in massive agreement with the cries of misogyny and the lack of respect for women.
There is no point going too far into this, but the most influential social philosopher of the twentieth century was Hugh Hefner and his Playboy Philosophy. You would have to be at least as old as I am to recall what a shock it was to read Hefner’s “philosophy” in the pages of Playboy back when I was about 14 in the 1960s. Here’s the gist: all those uptight girls hanging onto their virginity ought to liberate themselves and get into the sexual scrum with the boys. In an era when a goodnight kiss was a big deal this was magic. And with the likes of Germaine Greer and her buddies saying the same just as the birth control pill was becoming readily available, a new world opened for which neither the young women of the time or the young men were really prepared.
But who has come out of this genuinely hurt by the changed attitude to women. Both men and women are worse for it, but if you ask me, it is women who have been psychologically damaged far more than the men. And I suspect Miss 29 has not avoided the deep and fearsome pains of commitment-free sexual relations either.
These are the attitudes that Obama was tapping into. Watching the Middle East burn and the American economy trashed by debt and deficits are irrelevant to such women whose anger is beyond all understanding, particularly for men of my and Romney’s generation.
Social Sciences Know Nothings
And then, finally, there are the social sciences know nothings. It is a term I have put together for want of something better. They, too, love power, but have no way to gain it other than through the words they use.
These are the armchair Marxists and social revolutionaries of the couch. All talk and no action, but there is plenty of talk. They produce little and their value-added is minimal in comparison with the serious producers of the world. They have read the literature of the left, they have thought their shallow thoughts, and they are irritated that the riches of the world often go to people who never graduated from universities and who might be unable to string five sentences together in a single paragraph. These are your academics and media types who, in their own way, may be the most envious and resentful of the lot.
And it has been clear from the start that the media have understood exactly how bad Obama has been because they have known with precision exactly what parts of what Obama has done or said that have required their cover.
Just like the Australian Broadcasting Corporation - ABC - TV and Gilllard's blunders.
Obama has had to lie over Benghazi and so they have covered for him to the maximum extent they could. Obama tells producers "you didn't build that" and the media runs dead with the quote so that it never really becomes as significant as it ought to be. They know exactly how dreadful Obama has been, and cannot even manufacture a greater good, that their lies and distortions have protected the community from having to do without, had Obama lost the election in spite of every service they rendered in defence of his reputation and image.
We are in dangerous times. Obama and Gillard are two of a kind. Empty of ability, proven failures at everything they have tried to achieve, but nevertheless able to command majorities in the legislative systems of our two nations.
But the American election is the one that will matter most and whose outcome will resonate far into the future in ways that are incalculable. Re-electing Obama has endangered our way of life and may even make it unsustainable. Electing Mitt Romney would have given at least the possibility of putting us back on a more stable path. It is an option that has now been closed forever. It is the alternative future that, because of the election, will never be allowed to happen
Steve Kates teaches economics at RMIT University.
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
What an asshole who appears to know next to nothing about America, American politics and President Obama.
In fact, the President did better among those with graduate degrees than Governor Romney (also a worthy candidate). Nobel Laureates in the hard sciences preferred the President.
Nobel Laureates Endorse Obama - NYTimes.com
Fill your head with shit, and you end up typing shit. So it goes.
In fact, the President did better among those with graduate degrees than Governor Romney (also a worthy candidate). Nobel Laureates in the hard sciences preferred the President.
Nobel Laureates Endorse Obama - NYTimes.com
Fill your head with shit, and you end up typing shit. So it goes.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Pete,
That's a crock!
The Republicans ran a stupid campaign, they alienated woman and minorities, no one can win that type of campaign.
But if they had gotten a few more votes in some crucial states and Romney had won you would be all about how smart America is. But The Republicans were stupid and lost.
So instead of smart Americans, you say "we are populated by large numbers of those who thing the world owes them a living".
Pete they are the same people, you know nothing about America and you sir are full of shit!
That's a crock!
The Republicans ran a stupid campaign, they alienated woman and minorities, no one can win that type of campaign.
But if they had gotten a few more votes in some crucial states and Romney had won you would be all about how smart America is. But The Republicans were stupid and lost.
So instead of smart Americans, you say "we are populated by large numbers of those who thing the world owes them a living".
Pete they are the same people, you know nothing about America and you sir are full of shit!
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So THAT'S what happened to yer mate Craikpot! :laugh:
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
You can answer your own question, Australia like America is full of people who think the government should do everything for them and they will not vote for anyone who says " you must rein in spending". Oh and they think old white guys should be taxed more to pay for their plasma tv's.
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Really Jeff? Sounds like the article touched a nerve, it wasn't the bit about armchair Marxists was it?
It was probably the armchair Nazi that wrote it that touched the nerve.
Tom,
The economy is comming back, fairly strongly around here, median home prices are up 10%+. The cost of government is down and taxes will be raised on the very wealthy. If the current trends continue, you Republicans will keep that hard earned lead in debt production
Jim, You didn't reply. Would you like to make a friendly wager on which party leads the debt race by president from Carter to the end of Dear Leader's term January 2017?
The author didn't sound at all like a national socialist.
Folks, see I'm learning the new pol-speak here, can we all just be honest for one moment here? Presidents don't win reelection the kind of record B.O. has without a little help.
I'll forget about the lies the left imprinted in the impressionable minds of voters about what the Republican Party stood for. What has to be addressed, because who knows one day Republicans might use it against Democrats, is the cheating at the polls that has been going on for quite some time. Kennedy's Illinois stands out brightly.
"More than one out of every five registered Ohio voters is probably ineligible to vote."
" Northwestern Ohio’s Wood County shows 109 registered voters for every 100 eligible, while in Lawrence County along the Ohio River it’s a mere 104 registered per 100 eligible."
"What can Ohio’s chief elections official, Secretary of State Jon Husted, do to clean up the voter rolls?
Not enough, he says.
In a Feb. 10 letter, he asked U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder for a personal meeting to discuss how to balance seemingly conflicting federal laws so he could pare Ohio’s dirty voter list without removing truly eligible voters.
“Common sense says that the odds of voter fraud increase the longer these ineligible voters are allowed to populate our rolls,” Husted said. “I simply cannot accept that.”
Holder’s office has never replied.
When contacted last week by The Dispatch about Husted’s letter, a U.S. Department of Justice spokesman who did not wish to be identified by name said, “The department declines comment.”
When asked to at least confirm whether anyone from Holder’s agency responded to Husted’s inquiry, the answer was, “No comment.”
Voter rolls in Ohio are bloated, experts say | The Columbus Dispatch
I'll forget about the lies the left imprinted in the impressionable minds of voters about what the Republican Party stood for. What has to be addressed, because who knows one day Republicans might use it against Democrats, is the cheating at the polls that has been going on for quite some time. Kennedy's Illinois stands out brightly.
"More than one out of every five registered Ohio voters is probably ineligible to vote."
" Northwestern Ohio’s Wood County shows 109 registered voters for every 100 eligible, while in Lawrence County along the Ohio River it’s a mere 104 registered per 100 eligible."
"What can Ohio’s chief elections official, Secretary of State Jon Husted, do to clean up the voter rolls?
Not enough, he says.
In a Feb. 10 letter, he asked U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder for a personal meeting to discuss how to balance seemingly conflicting federal laws so he could pare Ohio’s dirty voter list without removing truly eligible voters.
“Common sense says that the odds of voter fraud increase the longer these ineligible voters are allowed to populate our rolls,” Husted said. “I simply cannot accept that.”
Holder’s office has never replied.
When contacted last week by The Dispatch about Husted’s letter, a U.S. Department of Justice spokesman who did not wish to be identified by name said, “The department declines comment.”
When asked to at least confirm whether anyone from Holder’s agency responded to Husted’s inquiry, the answer was, “No comment.”
Voter rolls in Ohio are bloated, experts say | The Columbus Dispatch
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