The injectors look like early TWMS with soild throttle shafts between the injectors.The throttle bodies need to be turned around or there will be heat issues with the fuel lines.
Bill
Bill
Discussion of 2003 CAV GT For Sale
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Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
So, in around 9 years, the owner(s) only drove it 360 miles? That's incredible to me- why would someone own such a car and not drive it- if only to local car shows?
Makes me wonder if there is a back story.
So, in around 9 years, the owner(s) only drove it 360 miles? That's incredible to me- why would someone own such a car and not drive it- if only to local car shows?
Makes me wonder if there is a back story.
Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
Well...Will and any other interested parties........ I became aware of this CAV when it was going to be auctioned off back in July of 2011 through Rowell Auctions, Inc., in Moultrie, GA. The bid period was from July 7 through July 21 of that year. In preparation to bid, I found that this CAV's title showed Michael Keith Bleckley of Richland, GA as the owner. Vehicle purchase date of 1/14/2005 and title issued in GA on 3/03/2005. Previously titled in FL. VIN # 1A44MONOB66. Further digging showed Mr. Bleckley and his wife had gotten into "some problems" and Rowell Auction was "...selling by Order of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court". The high bidder won it at $51K. Rowell advertised it with 275 miles so it probably didn't get many miles put on it during the time it was seized by the government awaiting the auction. I've seen it on Ebay at least once since the auction, stating 354 miles and I don't think it sold. So I do not know if the current owner is the same person that won the Rowell auction @ $51K and/or ran it on Ebay. I found this CAV again on the Motor Classic & Competition Corp. website not so long ago, and compared my pictures that I'd gotten from Rowell with the pictures on Motor Classic's website. Same car according to both sets of pictures, but I wanted to be certain so I sent an inquiry email to them requesting VIN #, did they own it or was it a consignment, selling price, etc., the usual stuff, but I never got a response back from them. And then here it is again. Geeez, it'd be nice if the next time it showed up was in my garage!
Well...Will and any other interested parties........ I became aware of this CAV when it was going to be auctioned off back in July of 2011 through Rowell Auctions, Inc., in Moultrie, GA. The bid period was from July 7 through July 21 of that year. In preparation to bid, I found that this CAV's title showed Michael Keith Bleckley of Richland, GA as the owner. Vehicle purchase date of 1/14/2005 and title issued in GA on 3/03/2005. Previously titled in FL. VIN # 1A44MONOB66. Further digging showed Mr. Bleckley and his wife had gotten into "some problems" and Rowell Auction was "...selling by Order of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court". The high bidder won it at $51K. Rowell advertised it with 275 miles so it probably didn't get many miles put on it during the time it was seized by the government awaiting the auction. I've seen it on Ebay at least once since the auction, stating 354 miles and I don't think it sold. So I do not know if the current owner is the same person that won the Rowell auction @ $51K and/or ran it on Ebay. I found this CAV again on the Motor Classic & Competition Corp. website not so long ago, and compared my pictures that I'd gotten from Rowell with the pictures on Motor Classic's website. Same car according to both sets of pictures, but I wanted to be certain so I sent an inquiry email to them requesting VIN #, did they own it or was it a consignment, selling price, etc., the usual stuff, but I never got a response back from them. And then here it is again. Geeez, it'd be nice if the next time it showed up was in my garage!
Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
Went to the web site of Motor Classic and Competition. I looked at some of the photos that had not been shown before. The one in particular is the shot over the top of the engine. Having a TWM manifold and taking it apart a time or two, the pic intrigued me. If you look close you will see there are 2 fuel lines to both the rails. They are not connected unless somehow in the middle, hidden by the air horns. There is only one fuel regulator, which begs the question of how do they achieve pressure to the left side of the fuel rail, or what is the path of flow? It's the same fuel regulator as TWM, but I don't think I have ever seen a setup like this for a TWM. If this isn't a TWM then it's an early look alike. Not trying to be critical but it is interesting.
Bill
Went to the web site of Motor Classic and Competition. I looked at some of the photos that had not been shown before. The one in particular is the shot over the top of the engine. Having a TWM manifold and taking it apart a time or two, the pic intrigued me. If you look close you will see there are 2 fuel lines to both the rails. They are not connected unless somehow in the middle, hidden by the air horns. There is only one fuel regulator, which begs the question of how do they achieve pressure to the left side of the fuel rail, or what is the path of flow? It's the same fuel regulator as TWM, but I don't think I have ever seen a setup like this for a TWM. If this isn't a TWM then it's an early look alike. Not trying to be critical but it is interesting.
Bill
Robert S.
GT40s Supporter
Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
This note is just my 2 cents, so don't rely too much on it.
Before I purchased a SPF, I was very attracted to a CAV Gulf GT40 for sale by a large seemingly respectable car dealer in Florida. They swore it was a CAV. Fortunately for me, before I took possession I telephoned the CAV distributor in N.C., Johan(sp), to inquire about car accessories. He asked for the chassis number so he could make sure he quoted on the correct parts. He came back on the line and said it was not a CAV, but was made by a company like GTD(?), or some such name. I cancelled my purchase, and the dealer called the distributor and verified it was not a CAV, but went on advertising it as a CAV anyway. So, go figure, and who would have ever guessed. I ended up paying much more for a 2012 SPF, but I purchased it in CA where I live, and I'll likely not be purchasing anything that expensive out-of-state. Buyer beware.
This note is just my 2 cents, so don't rely too much on it.
Before I purchased a SPF, I was very attracted to a CAV Gulf GT40 for sale by a large seemingly respectable car dealer in Florida. They swore it was a CAV. Fortunately for me, before I took possession I telephoned the CAV distributor in N.C., Johan(sp), to inquire about car accessories. He asked for the chassis number so he could make sure he quoted on the correct parts. He came back on the line and said it was not a CAV, but was made by a company like GTD(?), or some such name. I cancelled my purchase, and the dealer called the distributor and verified it was not a CAV, but went on advertising it as a CAV anyway. So, go figure, and who would have ever guessed. I ended up paying much more for a 2012 SPF, but I purchased it in CA where I live, and I'll likely not be purchasing anything that expensive out-of-state. Buyer beware.
Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
Hi Angus,
OK, thanks, much appreciated. A few questions then:
1. What is the VIN?
2. Is the car owned by yourselves or is it with you on consignment?
3. Is there any history of liens on the car?
4. What documentation does the car come with?
Thank you.
Hi Angus,
OK, thanks, much appreciated. A few questions then:
1. What is the VIN?
2. Is the car owned by yourselves or is it with you on consignment?
3. Is there any history of liens on the car?
4. What documentation does the car come with?
Thank you.
Robert S.
GT40s Supporter
Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
I just arrived back from checking area 51 because of recent reports of UAHGT40s (Unidentified Azz-Hauling GT40s).
So, what's missing here on this earthly plane? Was someone supposed to reply to some questions, or were they promptly beamed to the MS (Mother Ship).
Curious minds need to know.
I just arrived back from checking area 51 because of recent reports of UAHGT40s (Unidentified Azz-Hauling GT40s).
So, what's missing here on this earthly plane? Was someone supposed to reply to some questions, or were they promptly beamed to the MS (Mother Ship).
Curious minds need to know.
Pat
Supporter
Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
Robert, was tht car in Mt. Dora Florida? If so, I'm very familiar with it and it was a fantastic Gulf livery CAV with a Roush motor, ZF and eight stack injection. I thought he sold it to someone in PA.
Robert, was tht car in Mt. Dora Florida? If so, I'm very familiar with it and it was a fantastic Gulf livery CAV with a Roush motor, ZF and eight stack injection. I thought he sold it to someone in PA.
Robert S.
GT40s Supporter
Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
TO: Jimmy P and Veek
Gentlemen, the vehicle I alluded to in post #9 was located in Sarasota, FL., for some time during and prior to January 1, 2012, and for a month or so thereafter, but I stopped checking after a few weeks, even though I was still curious. It could still be there for all I know.
Robert
TO: Jimmy P and Veek
Gentlemen, the vehicle I alluded to in post #9 was located in Sarasota, FL., for some time during and prior to January 1, 2012, and for a month or so thereafter, but I stopped checking after a few weeks, even though I was still curious. It could still be there for all I know.
Robert
Robert S.
GT40s Supporter
Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
Thanks for the relay. I'm not interested in purchasing, since I already purchased a 2012 #2285. However, after almost becoming a victim of a vehicle identity quakmier, I remain interested in such events just the same.
Robert
Thanks for the relay. I'm not interested in purchasing, since I already purchased a 2012 #2285. However, after almost becoming a victim of a vehicle identity quakmier, I remain interested in such events just the same.
Robert
Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
This is the car in question. Please note that this car is a GTD from Australia and not a CAV GT. The car was assembled in the old CAV factory for GTD. It is a tubular chassis and not a mono. You will also notice the difference in the air vents and plexi glass rear window.
This is the car in question. Please note that this car is a GTD from Australia and not a CAV GT. The car was assembled in the old CAV factory for GTD. It is a tubular chassis and not a mono. You will also notice the difference in the air vents and plexi glass rear window.
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Pat
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Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
Clearly a different car. Here is the one I was referring to.
Scott Ales, Inc. - Item Details
Clearly a different car. Here is the one I was referring to.
Scott Ales, Inc. - Item Details
Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
Apparently, Angus ISN'T happy to answer any questions about the car......
There's only one reason why a dealer won't make public statements about the condition or circumstances of a particular car they are selling: they don't want a discoverable public record of what was said in case those statements prove to be false after the fact.
Whatever. Stupid dealer games.
Apparently, Angus ISN'T happy to answer any questions about the car......
There's only one reason why a dealer won't make public statements about the condition or circumstances of a particular car they are selling: they don't want a discoverable public record of what was said in case those statements prove to be false after the fact.
Whatever. Stupid dealer games.
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Mike
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Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
I will say this. One thing that is great about the Ford GT forum is people are not allowed to poopoo in someone's for sale thread. There are several posts here that are in bad taste. The seller has been accused of fraud with no proof whatsoever. Why do moderators allow this? For sale threads should be limited to the seller and genuinely interested buyers. Nobody else has any business crapping in the sellers thread. Ron?
I will say this. One thing that is great about the Ford GT forum is people are not allowed to poopoo in someone's for sale thread. There are several posts here that are in bad taste. The seller has been accused of fraud with no proof whatsoever. Why do moderators allow this? For sale threads should be limited to the seller and genuinely interested buyers. Nobody else has any business crapping in the sellers thread. Ron?
Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
Who accused the seller of fraud Michael? I don't see that anywhere in the thread, and I don't think anyone would suggest that. To be precise, if the seller made public statements concerning the car's condition which proved to be untrue, well, that might be considered misrepresentation. But there's no evidence of that here.
My suggestion is merely that the seller is being guarded with public disclosure of facts concerning the car's condition - facts which most buyers would want to know such as the VIN. Either that or Angus doesn't check here too often, which could be equally likely.
If a seller lists a car for sale on a public chat forum they invite public questions regarding the condition of the vehicle. That's obvious. If they don't care to provide public answers to questions about the car then they should perhaps pick a static advertising forum. That's pretty obvious too.
Who accused the seller of fraud Michael? I don't see that anywhere in the thread, and I don't think anyone would suggest that. To be precise, if the seller made public statements concerning the car's condition which proved to be untrue, well, that might be considered misrepresentation. But there's no evidence of that here.
My suggestion is merely that the seller is being guarded with public disclosure of facts concerning the car's condition - facts which most buyers would want to know such as the VIN. Either that or Angus doesn't check here too often, which could be equally likely.
If a seller lists a car for sale on a public chat forum they invite public questions regarding the condition of the vehicle. That's obvious. If they don't care to provide public answers to questions about the car then they should perhaps pick a static advertising forum. That's pretty obvious too.
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Pat
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Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
Johann, I suspect as much with the big red "Sold" sign when on the advert. Whoever got that particular CAV has a very, very, nice car. I've ridden in it and it is fantastic.
I'm with Cliff on his comments, I don't see any mean spiritedness on the comments only the logic that if you post an item in a specialty interest forum, the participants have an expectation of much more detail than was provided. This is especially true if the seller wishes support in finding a buyer and some of the forum members are absolute experts on these cars. I certainly wouldn't recommend something to a friend with such limited information and the apparent reticence to provide it is a bit off-putting. The car may be a wonderful buyer's opportunity but from what I've read, I wouldn't know that.
Johann, I suspect as much with the big red "Sold" sign when on the advert. Whoever got that particular CAV has a very, very, nice car. I've ridden in it and it is fantastic.
I'm with Cliff on his comments, I don't see any mean spiritedness on the comments only the logic that if you post an item in a specialty interest forum, the participants have an expectation of much more detail than was provided. This is especially true if the seller wishes support in finding a buyer and some of the forum members are absolute experts on these cars. I certainly wouldn't recommend something to a friend with such limited information and the apparent reticence to provide it is a bit off-putting. The car may be a wonderful buyer's opportunity but from what I've read, I wouldn't know that.
Robert S.
GT40s Supporter
Re: 2003 CAV GT For Sale, 361 Miles from New!
Interesting discussion.
The circumstances surrounding the resale of specially manufactured vehicles are unlike those of federally regulated vehicles. Correctly identifying a vehicle maker is on occasion more difficult than it should be, and some sellers are either ill informed, or simply unethical, and will misrepresent the true identity of a vehicle producer with seeming impunity. And, I am not alluding to the sale in question here, nor did I make any effort to do so in prior posts, nor, do I believe anyone else has. Until there is some reliable validation or enforcement method, along with some consequence for intentional deception, there is a need for "the members" of a forum such as this to assist buyers to validate, and thus promote a sale, which is the opposite of what I believe is absent: any efforts to thwart a good faith sale. Simply suggesting fellow members rely on the old adage buyers beware is by no means a bad circumstance for any of us.
Interesting discussion.
The circumstances surrounding the resale of specially manufactured vehicles are unlike those of federally regulated vehicles. Correctly identifying a vehicle maker is on occasion more difficult than it should be, and some sellers are either ill informed, or simply unethical, and will misrepresent the true identity of a vehicle producer with seeming impunity. And, I am not alluding to the sale in question here, nor did I make any effort to do so in prior posts, nor, do I believe anyone else has. Until there is some reliable validation or enforcement method, along with some consequence for intentional deception, there is a need for "the members" of a forum such as this to assist buyers to validate, and thus promote a sale, which is the opposite of what I believe is absent: any efforts to thwart a good faith sale. Simply suggesting fellow members rely on the old adage buyers beware is by no means a bad circumstance for any of us.
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