A bit of reality for the Druids out there!

[Frank3]

Of course the planet is warming , it is a natural course of the cycles that brings ice ages . Can't have one without the other . We were it a mini ice age back in George Washington's time , remember stories of him throwing a dollar across the Potomac , probably a coin , but that was stated to show how frozen the river was . It doesn't freeze like that now . That was supposed to be a stalled sunspot cycle .
What gets me is if this is all man made , then why does NASA report the other planets warming at a similar rate ? Must be the satellites and probes and rovers .
I liken it to watching the stock market , the longer time span you look at the more reasonable it seams . Only in the resent century have we kept the detailed records , using the technology we have . You can't just look at a few decades , and compare that to the life span of the planet . I really don't believe we fully understand all the contributing factors associated to climate .
How ever I do believe we should live harmoniously in our environment within REASON .
When we find ways to do things better , We Do .... as soon as it is profitable .
But when there is no real profit , create a scare , and profit is god .

 

[Frank3]

Scientist will sign anything , as a matter of just about anybody will .
observe if you will.......
Time To Ban H2O - YouTube

 

[Bob Fechter]

Scientist will sign anything , as a matter of just about anybody will .
observe if you will.......
Time To Ban H2O - YouTube

If you want to have some fun, ask one of these climate activists where ozone comes from. I guarantee you will get some amazing answers!

 

[Chris P.]

If you want to have some fun, ask one of these climate activists where ozone comes from. I guarantee you will get some amazing answers!

Brushed motors, laser printers...

 

[Frank3]

Ignition systems , welders ...

 

[Bob Fechter]

LOL. The vast majority of ozone is formed by,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Graham]

I have received dozens of PM's stating that they all think I am a super-hunky, captain funky kind of extra cool guy to be around.

Doesn't make it true thougn I'm afraid

Bob, Can you clarify 'your' view of this subject for me please? I fear that I may be in agreement, but, with all the usual babble going on I can't actually figure out what the hell anyone's actual stance is.

For the record, my person view at the moment is;

1. Climate change (the topic in general) is over-blown, political rhetoric designed to scare the masses into higher taxes, direct or stealth.
2. Climate change (the phenomena) may be quite real, but the causes not wholly attritubutal to man
3. All Planets have ever-changing climates/conditions and that's just the way it is
4. Any effect we have either positive or negative as indivduals, is irrelevant comparred to the harm done by Governments and Large Corps. Change should begin at the top, not the bottom.
5. We should all try a little harder not to be blind to our over-use of packaging, over consumption of harmful products etc. and re-use as much as we can. That just makes sense, even if it does not actually help. Waste is waste.
6. None of this has anything to do with Party Politics whatsoever.

Bob, you even named this post ,a) calling others Druids and , b) stating it to be reality.

Your mind Sir, is made up before you speak, never mind listen to anyone else. But hey, do we agree on the main subject or do you and I disagree? I can't tell mate, you drown everything out to the point that it all just becomes noise.

Mark,

+1000. A great post that I can't find a thing wrong with.

 

[Graham]

Bob,

I'm still waiting for you to respond to the question of your understanding of how you can perceive Hitler's Nazi party to have been liberal.

 

[Graham]

Scientist will sign anything , as a matter of just about anybody will .
observe if you will.......
Time To Ban H2O - YouTube

The Youtube video that you are referring to was posted by "Proudconservative.com"

Hardly impartial, don't you think?

 

[Mark]

Of course the planet is warming , it is a natural course of the cycles that brings ice ages . Can't have one without the other . We were it a mini ice age back in George Washington's time , remember stories of him throwing a dollar across the Potomac , probably a coin , but that was stated to show how frozen the river was . It doesn't freeze like that now . That was supposed to be a stalled sunspot cycle .
What gets me is if this is all man made , then why does NASA report the other planets warming at a similar rate ? Must be the satellites and probes and rovers .
I liken it to watching the stock market , the longer time span you look at the more reasonable it seams . Only in the resent century have we kept the detailed records , using the technology we have . You can't just look at a few decades , and compare that to the life span of the planet . I really don't believe we fully understand all the contributing factors associated to climate .
How ever I do believe we should live harmoniously in our environment within REASON .
When we find ways to do things better , We Do .... as soon as it is profitable .
But when there is no real profit , create a scare , and profit is god .

+1 Frank.

 

[Doug S.]

Is that the same Nobel organization that gave Obama the Peace prize after a few months in office?

You don't think that maybe the Nobel Committee is a little compromised politically?

You compare that to 31,000 scientists, 9,000 with PHDs?

The new Communist Manifesto! Thanks for sharing.

That was your attempt, but National Socialism is where the US is heading, if the Left prevails.

Exactly, when the concept of a government of and for the people becomes a government unaccountable to the people, we get the loss of our freedoms. Stand back, cool off and look at how the power of the Federal government has grown. Look at the massive bureaucracy, unelected and accountable to no one.


Exactly, when the concept of a government of and for the people becomes a government unaccountable to the people, we get the loss of our freedoms. Stand back, cool off and look at how the power of the Federal government has grown. Look at the massive bureaucracy, unelected and accountable to no one.

What I care about is the real reason behind the global cooling/warming and now global climate change hoax. Just review post #20 here.

Illustrating the truth to a liberal (something they are trained to ignore) is kinda like telling them there's no literal Santa. They survive on that sugar high of phony altruism and when they get a peek at cold hard reality, they fold like a toddler who needs a nap.

If you want to have some fun, ask one of these climate activists where ozone comes from. I guarantee you will get some amazing answers!

LB, I've listed your comments in their entirety, hoping perhaps you'll read them again (but, alas, I must admit I am "...stuck between hope and doubt", to quote one of my favorite musicians). If you'll do so, perhaps you'll understand why there is such an uproar regarding your message. It is hard to tell whether you sound more like one of the kook "conspiracy theorists" or Chicken Little, trying to convince the members here on the forum that the sky is falling.

Not holding my breath, though......:worried:

Anyone who thinks we're not crapping all over this planet and severly screwing it up just isn't paying attention......

Oh, yeah, and the holocaust never happened, there aren't any gay people in Iran, and Clinton didn't inhale nor have sex with Monica, Wall Street is just trying to earn an honest buck, the ultra-rich pay their fair share of tax, malpractice insurance premiums mean docs don't get huge salaries, and politicians just want to represent your best interests in DC.....

Oh brother.

I'll agree with those others who say Cliff has a fair grasp on the problem (and at the same time agree that sarcasm is not exactly the most logical manner in which to convince someone that they are wrong....but, Cliff, I almost fell off my chair, laughing....gotta love the way you think, man!).

Cheers from Doug to those who seem to be reacting reasonably to LB's inane ramblings :thumbsup:!!

 

[Jim Craik]

Doug,

My friend, its good to have you back!

I'm afraid that trying to talk to this guy is a waist of time, I plan to ignore him as he seems oblivious to anything said. Additionally, judging by his bazar attacks, he has a very limited grasp of reality. Perhaps he should seek professional help!

Best to leave this guy alone.

 

[Terry Oxandale]

Of course the planet is warming , it is a natural course of the cycles that brings ice ages . Can't have one without the other . We were it a mini ice age back in George Washington's time , remember stories of him throwing a dollar across the Potomac , probably a coin , but that was stated to show how frozen the river was . It doesn't freeze like that now . That was supposed to be a stalled sunspot cycle .
What gets me is if this is all man made , then why does NASA report the other planets warming at a similar rate ? Must be the satellites and probes and rovers .
I liken it to watching the stock market , the longer time span you look at the more reasonable it seams . Only in the resent century have we kept the detailed records , using the technology we have . You can't just look at a few decades , and compare that to the life span of the planet . I really don't believe we fully understand all the contributing factors associated to climate .
How ever I do believe we should live harmoniously in our environment within REASON .
When we find ways to do things better , We Do .... as soon as it is profitable .
But when there is no real profit , create a scare , and profit is god .

I believe we have sound methods of determining, back several hundred thousand years, what the contents of our atmosphere was through ice-pack core samples, so this is not an issue of just a few decades. Any reasonable person looking at the data would come to the same conclusions that something is vastly different this time around (a time when humans were also doing their thing). Many folks feel there is no way human activity on this vast planet can have any impact. There are also folks that would never consider a small virus in the vast human body to be of any significance, until it multiplies, increasing toxins, to the point of the virus impacting the host adversely.

What I hear from many is that we would rather be profitable than environmentally safe for future generations (my children), and if that science in inconsistent with their "beliefs" (or not understood easily), it is instead viewed as a "scare" tactic rather than looking objectively at both arguments to search for some kind of rational opinion.

 

[Chris P.]

Well said, Terry.

 

[Jim Craik]

Terry,

I agree, there is no doubt that the Earth is in a warming trend, how much is natural and how much is man made is unknown, except to Bob, he has the ability to know everything without question!

 

[Mark]

Good points Terry and I say that even though we both probably differ in overall views etc on this subject.

What I particularly dislike, is the Pro Global Warming community tend to make every point they have whilst displaying large chunks of Ice falling away from the Ice Fields. Clearly an attempt to make an impact in our minds that isperhaps, just a tiny bit alarmist? Either that, or images of smoke pluming up from chimneys etc etc.

The un-washed masses can all stare at these images and think, wow, we're fooked! Sound reasoning, evidence and argument should not require alarmist visuals to make it's point.

I could knock up some video footage of still-born baby cows, shot infront of a power station's cooling tower and suggest to the world that all baby cows are still-born as a direct result of power stations and a certain amount of morons would believe it to be conclusive proof.

For pete's sake all those who wish to convince me, please stop be so bloody alarmist. (Not you Terry)

 

[Bob Fechter]

"SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years."

Climate change data dumped - Times Online

 

[craig]

Terry,

I agree, there is no doubt that the Earth is in a warming trend, how much is natural and how much is man made is unknown, except to Bob, he has the ability to know everything without question!

Actually Jim I think Bobs point is similar to yours....the big difference being Bob is against spending tons of tax payer money on a weather trend that has a good likelihood of being out of our control....and you on the other hand are willing to spend tons of tax payer money on the hopes that it is in your control..
Either way fact is Al Gore is laughing all the way to the bank and im sure someone at solyndra is right behind him...

 

[Jim Craik]

Craig,

You need to get your facts straight!!!!

You will have to show me where I have ***EVER*** said anything except we do not know!

I have never gone along with Al Gore's (along with Rick Perry's) views, NEVER!!!!

I have always called Al Gore & Rick Perry buffoons!

 

[domtoni]

Guys, another thought here. I think the Europeans (not only the British) are using climate change as an argument to force businesses to invest in green technology, whether developing new green products like solar panels, wind mills etc or investing in energy producing schemes.

My electric company is willing to pay me GBP 0.44 per kw hour for 20 years if I put solar panels on my house (have to have a south facing roof and mine isn't big enough). Over the 20 year period, it will take me 12 years to break even on my investment. And the solar panels are 14% efficient. Note 14%, on 86%. One other point here, Germany is closing its nuclear plants by 2021, and replacing the nuc plants with 50 coal fired units (obviously they have been cleaned up).

The thinking behind the policy is continue funding renewable energy sources to meet the long term enviornmental goals of the UK (and it wants to lead the world in being green).

Yanks don't pull into line quite as quickly as Europeans, and by US standards can't see the logic of doing this under the current economic and political conditions.