Brian Magee
Supporter
Malcolm
I hope none of those toys you are throwing about scratch my precious paintwork.
Brian
I hope none of those toys you are throwing about scratch my precious paintwork.
Brian
Giving GT40s a bad name?
- Thread starter Malcolm
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This has been one of the most puzzling and at the same time disappointing threads I have ever read on this site.....
To be honest, I do believe that the sentiments expressed accurately reflect a creeping malaise I often witness on the roads and the most common perpertrators are drivers of fast machinery and especially motorbikes. No patience, no tolerance, move over - get out of my way, I'm faster.
Some "community"......
To be honest, I do believe that the sentiments expressed accurately reflect a creeping malaise I often witness on the roads and the most common perpertrators are drivers of fast machinery and especially motorbikes. No patience, no tolerance, move over - get out of my way, I'm faster.
Some "community"......
Ross Nicol
GT40s Supporter
Might as well put my oar in, seeing as how my car spends most of it's time on the track.Firstly I don't think Malcolm should be too worried about one GT40 getting the rest a bad name,surely any sensible person would reflect on the driver's capability and not the car itself. Most of the road going GT40s here in Melbourne can post a pretty competitive lap time. I've been on the track with up to 3 other 40s at a time and not one would I consider slow!.Here's my possible scenario- The instructor is in the drivers ear, do this do that etc, the driver is trying to concentrate,he is intimidated through lack of experience and by the headmaster beside.The headmaster gives a directive at a nearing corner and driver follows instruction, only problem being the instructor/headmaster did not have rear view of the fast approaching car from behind.There seems to be more to this than we are being told but I'll finish with this- I have been accused of not using my mirrors.Not surprising, I've been racing a car for 4 years that has been quick in a straight line but compromised in corners.I have also suffered damage from impatient drivers who will not pull back when they see a tiny gap that closes when I have crossed to the apex.The responsibility lies squarely with the driver behind to pass safely and I believe this rule goes out the window most of the time and the "why don't you use your mirrors" line is pulled out by the passing driver to justify his risky if not more serious actions after a prang or at a Race Stewards meeting.
Ross
Ross
Ross,
Very well spoken, and right on!!!
Very well spoken, and right on!!!
This seems to be less about GT40s and more about stupid stereotypes to me.
No matter what the car, there will always be situations where someone is going slow for some reason.
As for the comment/stereotype about Impreza's, I beg to differ.
People who use stereotypes like these two are all the same IMO...
Tim.
No matter what the car, there will always be situations where someone is going slow for some reason.
As for the comment/stereotype about Impreza's, I beg to differ.
People who use stereotypes like these two are all the same IMO...
Tim.
IMHO a gt40 is nice also if just in an unfinished bodyshell... (modelling shop owner...nothing moves here,),
As Old Enzo Ferrari said : "non potrò mai essere un pilota veloce....perchè ho troppa paura di danneggiare la macchina" (I can never be a real fast pilot...I am too scared to damage the car).
He often declared he suffer too much to see any of his car damaged....and I completely agree
(modelling shop owner...nothing moves here,),As Old Enzo Ferrari said : "non potrò mai essere un pilota veloce....perchè ho troppa paura di danneggiare la macchina" (I can never be a real fast pilot...I am too scared to damage the car).
He often declared he suffer too much to see any of his car damaged....and I completely agree
Ross sums it up quite well. You can't trust the guys behind to behave. And he has stated he suffered damage. That was racing, but it also happens on track days. I've seen it happen. In fact my wife was passenger in a 40 being driven by someone who has posted on this thread. That guy overtook another car hitting it as he went past. Fortunately no real damage to either car and the tyre marks polished out. Just as well, as it wasn't his 40! Also on another track day he moved across the track on a straight forcing quite a famous international driver onto the grass at over 100 mph. Kind of makes his post hypocritical in my opinion. Red mist is a common malaise on track and all suffer from it at some point.
You can't make a posting about driving standards, particularly pointing a finger, and expect to be best buddies with everyone. I expected some controversy! Over 800 hits in two days.....not bad really. It will be interesting to know over the next couple of years as more 40 owners venture onto track as novices, whether or not they recall this thread and think of their mirrors. Then this thread would be a success.
You can't make a posting about driving standards, particularly pointing a finger, and expect to be best buddies with everyone. I expected some controversy! Over 800 hits in two days.....not bad really. It will be interesting to know over the next couple of years as more 40 owners venture onto track as novices, whether or not they recall this thread and think of their mirrors. Then this thread would be a success.
same story happened when Max Biaggi wanted to try a clubrace (trackday) with supermotard bikes here.
At first coner he hit 2 other drivers and completely crash one of their bike.
In the paddok, when they ask him why the reason for such action in a trackday and with a bike of a different cathegory....he only aswerd: "wtf do u want?..I am Max Biaggi..so shut up and go away..".
Another wellknown buddy doing the same nice things in trackdays is Christian Ghedina, ex olimpic ski champion.His very last BS was in Monza, I've seen it for real, and suffered the same from him directly in a 24 hours gokart race last year(same answer:"wtf do u want mr.paolonobody..I am Christian Ghedina, team mate of Riccardo Patrese in gokarts..).
Race lost and kart damaged (1000 euros trashed..)
At first coner he hit 2 other drivers and completely crash one of their bike.
In the paddok, when they ask him why the reason for such action in a trackday and with a bike of a different cathegory....he only aswerd: "wtf do u want?..I am Max Biaggi..so shut up and go away..".
Another wellknown buddy doing the same nice things in trackdays is Christian Ghedina, ex olimpic ski champion.His very last BS was in Monza, I've seen it for real, and suffered the same from him directly in a 24 hours gokart race last year(same answer:"wtf do u want mr.paolonobody..I am Christian Ghedina, team mate of Riccardo Patrese in gokarts..).
Race lost and kart damaged (1000 euros trashed..)
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Just to confirm:-
- no one told me or any of my team that there was a problem with a GT40 not letting people by
- if they don't tell us and we don't see anything we can't act
- no the car in question did NOT have one of our instructors in it
Haven't been to Pistonheads but will do so now.
Melindi
Gold Track - UK Motorcycle and Car Track Days - Silverstone - Brands Hatch - Oulton Park
- no one told me or any of my team that there was a problem with a GT40 not letting people by
- if they don't tell us and we don't see anything we can't act
- no the car in question did NOT have one of our instructors in it
Haven't been to Pistonheads but will do so now.
Melindi
Gold Track - UK Motorcycle and Car Track Days - Silverstone - Brands Hatch - Oulton Park
Malcolm
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This thread reads to me like some above have called it, a waste of time and bandwidth. If you feel so stongly about this and you know the instructor involved why not get the story from him directly and address your comments to the driver himself, instead of “outing” the driver here?.
I don’t know you, or any of the other personalities involved personally. I have to judge you on what you write. Out here we call this sort of thing sh1t stirring.
Regards
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I don’t know you, or any of the other personalities involved personally. I have to judge you on what you write. Out here we call this sort of thing sh1t stirring.
Regards
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Of course its a witch hunt, of course there are personalities and issues being very nastily raised. The fact that the driver is very well known to all, and is castgated by inter club rivalries, means that both Malcolm and Charles both know exactly what they are trying to achieve with this post. The other fact is that the driver was, for the whole day, under proffesional instruction by a circuit instructor.[/QUOTE]
Hi Frank,
I'm with you on this one and it is very sad to see the actions/opinions of the other club members resorting to this kind of cheap shot. There seems to be a patern developing as I was concerned at at recend posting that rather disparagingly commented
"In the Enthusiasts Club you can do your carshows, cream tea runs and cocoon yourself in polish" which I thought was rather unnesessary.
It is a great shame that some people resort to such comment.
Track days are for beginners. Not watching the mirrors is a beginner mistake and VERY COMMON at track day events, especially with an instructor in the car taking away the students concentration. The instructor is the one that should have been looking in the mirrors. He probably told the student not to look in the mirrors and focus on his driving. No big deal and a lesson easily learned. I hope the driver continues on with his track training. I assure him that all those making comments about his lack of looking in the mirrors have made similar errors in the past. For instance, I used to have the habit of getting all buckled in and ready to go and then I could not reach to shut the door of the race car. I also have a bad habit of missing the checkered flag and keep racing until I catch the leader, and even worse if I am the leader.
If it is racing you want, go racing. If you want to do testing at a "Track Day", then you have to adjust to the track day set of circumstances. I think this is one of those threads that is best taken with a grain of salt where the thread starter does not mean to say what it sounds like he is saying, right ? All you had to do was pull in to the pits for 3/4 lap rest.
If it is racing you want, go racing. If you want to do testing at a "Track Day", then you have to adjust to the track day set of circumstances. I think this is one of those threads that is best taken with a grain of salt where the thread starter does not mean to say what it sounds like he is saying, right ? All you had to do was pull in to the pits for 3/4 lap rest.
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This thread is not one of this club versus that club. It is a driving standards thread and if you want to make it something else, please do so elsewhere. This thread has deviated quite far from the original position which makes me agree with Keith that it has become disappointing.
I vote to close the thread.
Enough said about the subject, and with all that was said about the subject, we all learned to watch our mirrors, and so now that its all out in the open,
This is clsosed!!!!!!!!!!!
Enough said about the subject, and with all that was said about the subject, we all learned to watch our mirrors, and so now that its all out in the open,
This is clsosed!!!!!!!!!!!
If a driver is under instruction, he has to take the racing line round corners, however slow he is, or he isn't going to learn anything - should move over to the right on the next straight, however, to let the faster cars past. It is inevitable on track days, which will include a mix of abilities among the drivers, that the faster people will be held up in the corners - in fact it happens all the time! Track days are supposed to be fun for everybody. Faster drivers should choose their trackdays and circuits with care if they don't want to be held up too much (or take up racing). I have just bought a Radical SR3 to complement the GT40. My son and I will be driving both on track and expect to be held up in the corners a lot, especially in the Radical, but that is the way it goes.
Chris
Chris
Sorry Gary - missed your post. Agreed
Freddi Fender, we can always count on you to let the catt out of the bag.
