Shoot, I miss all the fun. Thank the lord I left the republick of Kalifornia. Bringing the thread back to America where 50 states have 50 different laws designed by 100s of people that don't like cars or can't afford a 2nd or more cars. Since they work for the government and are preying on our tax dollars, I deem the centrist to liberal. To top it off the federal level the EPA, otherwise known as a bunch of F'd up tree hugging, payoff thieves, with delusions of running buses and trains and walk the rest of the way idiots. Why would you own a car at all if you live in NY, DC, or other high density city anyway. Then slather the rules that run a city like that for all the rest of the country is ludicrous. As for our hardworking Jim, I don't care how smart, how many graphs, how many bs information he can dredge up, the fact that he must believe that as an elitist, he will always better than us all. Jim, to you I say good for you, live in the clouds of your utopia and or Olympus or whatever your want to call your spread. Piss on Larry if you can for me, as the crap I have dealt with when I dealt with Oracle would make me happy. My mansion on the waterfront is just fine. I love building my toys and I don't have to work anymore unless I choose to.
But back to our subject of How can a SICE be a lib. I know that I am far from Lib as you can be, but I have to admit friends that I have are Lib, they just forget that they are about cars. Same with Politics. most people forget that they have local elections and only turn out for the big ones. I guess to be liberal you need some forgetfulness.