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Keith

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Still wouldn't Nick. I have sold many performance and race cars including a Penske GT and a sub 10 second strip car. In no case was I even asked for a test drive let alone would have permitted it.

On the other hand I have purchased high performance vehicles and didn't need to ask for a test drive following a trip in the car in the passenger seat.

If you can't judge a cars behaviour from observation and aural senses then perhaps you shouldn't be buying such a specialised car.

On the other hand, that's just me. Too many dickheads around I'm afraid..
 
Nick,
John was offered some options, and he dropped the ball by not responding in a timely manner. (like 2-3 days later) And when he did, he chose not to try and find a solution. I chose to move on and find someone that was serious about selling. There were no personality/character issues in person during conversation. The car has an all aluminum motor with a motec system and one-off intake. My concern was primarily that the motor did not leak/overheat/tune/driveability, and as stated the handling at speed. I didnt really care WHO drove the car, but I wanted to be in it at freeway speeds and get it good and hot!

Sailor/Keith1,
You are correct about the"too many dickheads" comment. The insurance/lack of test-drive etc. became a secondary issue when the communication broke down. The reality is John was given some options and he chose how to respond. When I spoke with him in person he was ok with going for a test drive early in the morning like on a sunday when there would be little traffic or risk. Evidently that changed the next day when I contacted him to make the deal and then heard nothing for 2-3 days. I certainly don't expect buyer and seller to agree on everything, but you have to be willing to communicate and mediate to make a deal if you are serious.

I have about 12 cars at the moment, and have owned probably 25 more over the years. I have restored 3 camaros and built a few drag cars/cobras, custom trucks. I also own a ferrari and have been on the track with that as well. Implying that I shouldnt be buying the car if I can't judge it without driving it myself is baseless. (and try to remember we are only talking about a 60k car)
When I sell a car I take the buyer for a test drive on and off the freeway. If I feel comfortable, I will let the buyer drive in a safe environment. That being said, I realize others may do things differently. These cars are not that "special" that the average gear-head can't work the clutch, shift, and stomp the brake pedal!
 
Yadayadayada...

At the end of the day I wouldn't let anyone drive a car that they weren't:-

A. Insured to drive.
B. Proficient enough to drive.
C. Well, there is no C actually, because A and B covered it.

Keith got it bang on. However, If every effort was made to secure a drive in the car even as a passenger and that proved to be not forthcoming then the seller needs to pluck the chunk of wood out of his own eye before moaning about the splinter in the purchasers...

if you know what I mean :shifty:

Oh, and I'm not religious, really I'm not :uneasy:
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
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Is John aka Oliver?

Tim

I've wondered the same thing many times, Tim...but this "John" seems to have better command of written (and probably spoken) language. However, as Dr. Phil says, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, and considering the manner in which "Oliver" exited the forum, this is EXACTLY the behavior I'd expect if he were to return.

Then, again, it might be "Revilo"....but, then, even HE admitted to being Oliver, let's see if this one does.

Cheers from Doug!!
 
It's reasonable that a prospective buyer of a GT40 would want to run the car at speed on the road. If that wasn't a possibility due to the lack of current registration then it's similarly reasonable that could be an impediment to closing a transaction.

It's not reasonable that a prospective purchaser demand track time as a pre-purchase procedure....but it doesn't sound like this prospective purchaser demanded that, rather, suggested that as an alternative to road time (which was prevented by the absence of current registration).

Probably the seller here should have a) disclosed up front (if not done) that the car did not have current registration and therefore would be unavailable for road testing, and b) be prepared that many, if not most, purchasers would require some road testing time to be able to make an informed purchase decision.

That said, it was good of the seller here to prep the car for viewing, and the prospective purchaser should be respectful and thankful of the time and energy invested by the seller to make the car avaiable for viewing at least.

Now stop the personal digs and let's get back to the regularly scheduled programming.....
 

Ron Earp

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John/Oliver, your true colors have shown through. I specifically told you to keep to your sale thread. No PM's please.

Ron
 
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