Over 92 million Americans out of work force

[Jim Craik]

Then don't start bullshit threads like this one, stick to the truth and you will hear nothing from me.

But don't try and change how unemployment is counted because using Reagans method makes it look like America is coming back strong...........

When you have to pretend that 90 year olds are "unemployed", use missleading reports, Gerrymandering and voter suppression to gain power........your days are numbered.

Remember every week 50,000 old grumpy men die an 80,000 Hispanics turn 18.

Can you say irrelevant?

 

[Robert May Eng.]

 

[Bob Fechter]

After all these years of telling other countries how to spend their money on useless aid, and giving less than 2% of what he collects with his own charitable organization,

Bono under fire over One charity donations totalling £9.6m | Metro News


even he has come to the realization that capitalism works.



U2's Bono Courageously Embraces Capitalism - Forbes

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

Jim give me a break, Doug was on about wealthy people not employing people and keeping the wealth for themselves.
How many people do the companies controlled by Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Larry Ellison, Charles Koch, David Koch and the Walton family who own Wal Mart to name a few employ?
and how much tax do those employees pay to support your large and unwieldy Government?

 

[Jim Craik]

Pete,

How would a more even distribution of the available wealth from a given business enterprise change any of that? If each Walton only had half as many billions would they change anything?

Would they leave the business cause it's just not worth it?


If the available wealth was not just concentrated at the top, but actually allowed to "trickle down,", maybe a full time Walmart worker could make enough to actually pay taxes.

You know, like they did back before 1981 and all the wealth went to the top.

******

Pete,

How much would having only $15 Billion instead of $30 Billion change the average Waltons life?

How much would an income large enough to pay taxes change the average Walton workers life?

How much would more Americans making enough to actually pay taxes change America?

 

[Nick]

The point of this thread is that saying unemployment is under 7% is untrue when you don't count those who have given up trying to get a job. The count is at least 12% and rising.

Well this seems to be a bit of a U turn.

Time and time again on this forum I have seen the “right” harp on about how there are plenty of jobs for those that want to work, and the unemployed are a bunch of lazy %^$£$$, leaching of the tax payer, getting welfare for doing nothing, and should get up of their lazy backsides and go out and get a job.

Looks like the “right” have had an epiphany on the unemployed, but I won’t hold my breath

Obviously, that website must be run by "racist conservative GOP sympathizers", Bob. Otherwise it'd ignore (or spin) the facts and provide the same cheery outlook as the Obama White House and all spin masters who orbit that place.

Oh...wait a sec...isn't the Telegraph located 'across the pond' somewhere? I believe they are. They don't have a dog in the fight...do they?

I'll keep my whig on but, The Daily ToryGraph no dog in the fight really? I'm sure Margo would beg to differ

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlnkxzjFGCw]The Good Life/Good Neighbors - Silly But It's Fun (clip) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

Jim, Im prepared to admit they are all greedy bastards and I'm nearly as jealous of them as you are. But without them and many more like them there would be many many more out of a job. I know you and your ilk want a re-distribution of wealth... In some circles there is another word used to describe that. Guess what it is?

Beware of killing the Goose that lays the golden egg. You and Doug think the Goose eats too much and it probably does, but without it....?

 

[Nick]

Jim, I know you and your ilk want a re-distribution of wealth... In some circles there is another word used to describe that. Guess what it is?

Christianity.

 

[Jim Craik]

Nick,

You amaze me!

On my best day, I couldn't come close to your ability to make a point with such style and grace.

I will gladly step away and alow the master to work.

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

Christianity.

:laugh::laugh:

I was thinking of a different word but that will do.

 

[Nick]

Nick,

You amaze me!

On my best day, I couldn't come close to your ability to make a point with such style and grace.

I will gladly step away and alow the master to work.

Thank you for the kind words Jim, but unfortunately with you I am preaching to the converted, if we could only convert the Philistines now that would be an achievement

Don’t step away, no prophet is accepted in his hometown, I have not got your stamina and I’m off to my favourite car show in any case

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

:laugh::laugh:

I was thinking of a different word but that will do.

Actually Nick after giving it a bit of thought I take it back. In my experience
Christianity does nor redistribute wealth at all, it takes from the poor and makes itself richer and more powerful. The Church of Rome is a classic example for instance.

 

[Doug S.]

Christianity does nor redistribute wealth at all, it takes from the poor and makes itself richer and more powerful. The Church of Rome is a classic example for instance.

Exactly, Pete...and they have even managed to make sure every bit of their property and financial holdings here in the USA are tax free...

Pete, the bottom line for me is this...with the wealthy and ultra-wealthy hoarding their profits, do you really believe they are doing what they can to reduce the unemployment rate? At least the government does not hoard the taxes we pay, they put people to work.

Now, whether they do that wisely or not is another issue for a different thread, this thread is about unemployment. Jim raises some rather truthful issues. For many of the wealthy/ultra wealthy money is like a drug, they can never get enough. I have only the highest respect for Bill Gates and Warren Biffet and those like them who are astute enough to realize when enough is enough and turn their a attentions to doing what they can with their financial resources to benefit mankind in general.

Remember...gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins!

Cheers!!!

Doug

 

[Robert May Eng.]

The wealthy of the world do not "sit" on their wealth they put it to work. Be it in industry, stock markets or property I am sure it will be at work. Its down to the governments to make investing in any given country look attractive ,this is an area in which they seem to fail miserably . A country with a Robin Hood tax regime is the very last thing investors world wide need to invest in. Poor is a relative term, if good affordable housing , food and transport was a government priority a low paid workforce would be relatively well off. Look east at the up and coming to see proof of this.

Bob

 

[Al Wohlstrom]

Pete,

How would a more even distribution of the available wealth from a given business enterprise change any of that? If each Walton only had half as many billions would they change anything?

Would they leave the business cause it's just not worth it?


If the available wealth was not just concentrated at the top, but actually allowed to "trickle down,", maybe a full time Walmart worker could make enough to actually pay taxes.

You know, like they did back before 1981 and all the wealth went to the top.

******

Pete,

How much would having only $15 Billion instead of $30 Billion change the average Waltons life?

How much would an income large enough to pay taxes change the average Walton workers life?

How much would more Americans making enough to actually pay taxes change America?

Do you honestly believe in taking wealth from those that have earned it and giving say 50% to others? How about you downsizing by half, moving out of your house, getting one half as expensive, half your stocks, etc. and giving to those that are worth less. How about Obama who's net worth prior to politics (and a short time at that) was lower middle class and now is worth $10 million+ and give 1/2 of that away? Give George Soros a call too. It doesn't matter how much the Waltons, Gates or Buffet have, they worked their asses off for it. When you Soros and Obama are ready to give away half of you net worth, give the Waltons a call.. Socialist bullshit!!

 

[Steve]

Interesting Forbes article. Love the quote: "There’s an old saying that suggests anyone who is not a socialist when they are 20 has no heart, and anyone who is still a socialist when they are 30 has no mind."

As altruistic as Jim's income redistribution plan is, it's incredibly naive. Who determines how much is enough income? A government? How many governments who controlled income and redistributed wealth did so successfully without corruption and with a thriving economy?

Our forefathers recognized the danger of an overreaching central government. To date, individual entreprenuerialism has been the key to our country's economic success. Take away the incentive and/or overregulate and it'll go away. My state, Minnesota, has a low unemployment rate and one of the most educated work forces in the country. It also has one of the most onerous tax policies and the regulation has increased dramatically in recent years. As a result: we had the lowest number of startups in the entire US last year. This from the state that brought us Target, 3M, Best Buy etc etc etc.

 

[Larry L.]

Do you honestly believe in taking wealth from those that have earned it and giving say 50% to others? How about you downsizing by half, moving out of your house, getting one half as expensive, half your stocks, etc. and giving to those that are worth less. How about Obama who's net worth prior to politics (and a short time at that) was lower middle class and now is worth $10 million+ and give 1/2 of that away? Give George Soros a call too (and don't forget billionaire lib contributor Tom Stayers - L.L.). It doesn't matter how much the Waltons, Gates or Buffet have, they worked their asses off for it. When you Soros and Obama are ready to give away half of you net worth, give the Waltons a call.. Socialist bullshit!!

So much ABSOLUTE TRUTH in so few words...

 

[Jim Craik]

Its an easy question, which senario is better for the United States.....

(1) Your average Walmart worker making enough to actually to pay taxes and perhaps afford to shop at Wallmart, maybe even buy a car and your average Walton paying a fair share of taxes.

(2) A few Waltons with more $billions than they could ever spend?

 

[Steve]

Its an easy question, which senario is better for the United States.....

(1) Your average Walmart worker making enough to actually to pay taxes and perhaps afford to shop at Wallmart, maybe even buy a car and your average Walton paying a fair share of taxes.

(2) A few Waltons with more $billions than they could ever spend?

So who determines how much more Sam Walton (well, he's dead so maybe his family) pays and how it gets redistributed?

 

[Jim Craik]

Taxes are set by the Government. As trickle down has not worked the pre 1981 rate is a good place to start.

A minimum wage that meets the minimum needed to pay taxes sounds like another good place to start.