Doug
What I was said about what Palin said was meant as , her style as a gun toting patriot is to say what she said . And not to say it the way I suggested it could have been said . So your call of BS has no grounds !
Al , and Doug ,
What Palin said , I didn't take the way you did , so it does not bother me .
And it warms me that your happy with Obama...but I still , no matter how many promises they keep , inherently do not trust any politician , or lawyer , or used car salesman . Hell , I don't even trust me , especially around fresh baked cookies my wife just pulled from the oven ! She told me not to touch them but I can't help it .
Frank, the issue isn't how you took Palin's comments, as well as the crosshairs on the map marking districts to be "targeted"....the issue for me, having seen how my impressionable "ex-friend" was changed almost overnight by inflamatory rhetoric, is how those who are subject to being led to violence with little critical thought regarding the advisability of such action might have responded to Palin's comments and website content. This guy in Tucson was just one of that "lunatic fringe". It only takes one, as we have seen in Tucson, and believe me they are out there everywhere! As such, it seems to me that it is incumbent upon the politicians to reign in the rhetoric, both verbal and visual, in order to avoid being "responsible" (a word I used reluctantly here) for inciting another to violence. I had no concerns that you might take those actions...to a person those of us who have discussed this and other politically related issues on the Paddock seem to be level headed enough to avoid taking those irreversible steps, regardless of the rancor with which some of us address those with views that don't agree with our own. My issue is that I don't see the rhetoric being so inflamatory on the liberal side, it's only on the radical conservative side. The liberals seem to be wringing their hands over the goings on, the radical conservatives seem to be using their actions to bring about their agenda in whatever manner they can, whether it is "responsible" or not.......IMHO. It's like screaming "FIRE" in a crowded theater.....regardless of whether or not one is an alarmist, it is not a responsible act. We (and in that universal term I definitely include Palin) should all be held responsible for the inflamatory rhetoric we choose to use, and particularly when that language incites others into deadly acts such as this nut-job in Tucson. Would he have done so without being so heavily influenced by the tactics of Palin????? Who knows, he's not saying anything at all.
.....and, yep, we ought to all take a good look at our politicians and what they say as candidates. I actually believe each of the parties should appoint someone to keep track of campaign promises, and in the next election campaign there should be a tally of the percentages of promises actually met. It could be good for someone like Bee-OH (ya gotta say it like a foghorn sounds, like the old deodorant commercials on TV where body odor was referred to as "B-O"), who has actually impressed me with his willingness to carry through on his promises (if not with the content of some of the ways in which he approached those promises.....). IMHO Palin is a political liability for the GOP and the TEA partiers, which are a well-documented right wing part of the GOP, would be wise to drop Palin from the list of their heroes.
Car salesmen....yeah, I know about them and their lies, lawyers are even worse (well, I must admit I do know a few honorable lawyers, but they are the exception in my eyes rather than the rule).
Good thing I wasn't there when the homemade cookies appeared....I'd have lied about the dog having gotten out and would have eaten the entire plate before she could have found out I lied!
.....and the beer, that's another issue altogether :thumbsup: !
Cheers from Doug