Randy Folsom
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Hoping for some guidance regarding fuel cell foam in RCR40 fuel tanks. Is it needed for street and occasional track day events? If so, is there a preferred brand or type? Thx in advance.
The tanks are basically long aluminum boxes that slide into the side sponsons. In the originals, and early RCRs, the sponsons were the tanks. The foam is cut into pieces and stuffed into the tank via the sender holes. Float type senders are not used. Have to use induction senders.I know members that have used these guys to make replacement fuel cells for replicas. Would be curious to know their position is (as you asked) on metal can fuel tanks like in the 40. Not sure how you would get foam Into a completed tank unless they are being made with an access panel.
What is the design of the RCR tank? Just a metal can?
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No worries. I was not planning on replacing the tanks that come with the car, just adding anti slosh foam.I contacted them some time back and they said they stopped making cells for cars. Possibly they do again and if so let us know.
Thx, but this is a going to be a street car so just looking to control sloshing using foam.Hi: ATL, Fuel Safe, etc. will make for you racing bladders to your dimensions (e.g. to the same shape as your tanks) to FIA, SCCA ... standard.
Fuel Safe sells (or used to sell) reticulated foam for that purpose.Thx, but this is a going to be a street car so just looking to control sloshing using foam.
Neil, I think I am going to use this foam Speedway:Fuel Safe sells (or used to sell) reticulated foam for that purpose.
I know of one enterprising individual that used Wiffle Balls inside his 60 gallon diesel tank and they worked great to control the slosh of his fuel.Thx, but this is a going to be a street car so just looking to control sloshing using foam.
Randy, I don’t know if RCR tanks have baffles. I was thinking they do not based on comments Chuck’s comments where he mentioned Fran recommended foam. But RCR might have subsequently added baffling. I will check. But if there no baffling, then Wiffle balls are certainly less expensive than foam and probably less likely to clog filters with slothed off pieces. I am going to get some golf ball size and put them in a jar of gasoline to make they hold up.I know of one enterprising individual that used Wiffle Balls inside his 60 gallon diesel tank and they worked great to control the slosh of his fuel.
of course you’d have to have protection for your fuel sender - or use a Centroid style sender.
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Does RCR no longer weld baffles into their tanks?
Karel, I think a surge tank might still be needed even with anti slosh foam or balls.I think I have the same problem as Ian. I have the SGT tanks, and I have the feeling that they are not baffled, since after 1/2 a tank of fuel, when braking, the fuel pump stops (I have EFI). I know that many of you have installed a surge tank, but I wanted to know if filling the tank with foam or balls (the ones that Randy indicates) will eliminate that problem or reduce it a lot and save me the installation of a surge tank system (which I also have little space since I use a coyote).
Ian, Thx for sharing your experience. Yes, it just makes sense that braking is going to cause fuel starvation unless there is well designed baffling or anti slosh foam or balls. As Randy V. noted, a float type fuel level sender won’t work well. I am going to test using Wiffle Golf balls since they are very inexpensive and easy to install or remove. Cheers, RandyHi Randy
i would think you need something. Ok mine was a DAX but same long tank arrangement. They were filled with explosafe which is like wire wool but this did not restrict flow.
I had fuel injection so ran a facit red top to fill the swirl.
When pumping fuel it ticked away quite happily……sometimes really fast when a lot of fuel was being consumed
When it sucked in air from the rear fuel pickup the pump really hammered hard and the sound was easily audible over the engine noise.
Driving in the U.K. there are a lot of roundabouts, so you brake coming into them and the fuel sloshes forward in the tank. From around half a tank down the fuel pump would hammer under braking for the roundabouts. So the amount of slosh is a problem . On the occasional track time i did the braking a lot harder than on the road the pump hammered at about 2/3 tank down.
I would say if you are at the stage to add foam then do so.
Ian
Thank you very much!Karel, I think a surge tank might still be needed even with anti slosh foam or balls.
I am thinking to use this compact one:
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I understand but I'd still go for a bladder for your own safety. And definitely get a swirl pot - see my build log! Kinsler is a good source for advice and parts. Good luck with your project!Thx, but this is a going to be a street car so just looking to control sloshing using foam.
I checked in with RCR and they’re no longer installing baffles. Their reco is to use foam or cells..Randy, I don’t know if RCR tanks have baffles. I was thinking they do not based on comments Chuck’s comments where he mentioned Fran recommended foam. But RCR might have subsequently added baffling. I will check. But if there no baffling, then Wiffle balls are certainly less expensive than foam and probably less likely to clog filters with slothed off pieces. I am going to get some golf ball size and put them in a jar of gasoline to make they hold up.
Cheers, Randy
Randy, Thx much for reaching out to RCR to confirm.I checked in with RCR and they’re no longer installing baffles. Their reco is to use foam or cells..
I doubt that you’ll see any breakdown of the plastic in your test, but do let us know..