Do i need an IVA as i have a V5?

[Ross]

Hi Folks,

Currently restoring a KVA Type C as per build log just started.

The car came with a V5 issued in 2011 which has been sent away to be changed to my name / address.

When you input the reg to car tax check on the government website you get this

Vehicle make FORD
Date of first registrationMay 1967
Year of manufacture 1967
Cylinder capacity 4950 cc
CO₂ emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Euro status Not available
Real Driving Emissions (RDE) Not available
Export marker No
Vehicle status Untaxed
Vehicle colour RED
Vehicle type approval Not available
Wheelplan 2 AXLE RIGID BODY
Revenue weight Not available
Date of last V5C (logbook) issued13 December 2011

The v5 paper document says cortina?


However i seen for sale this year another KVA with a 1968 plate which is also registered as a cortina last through an mot in 2011

Lot 40 - 1968 KVA GT40 Evocation

Lot 40 - 1968 KVA GT40 Evocation

www.manorparkclassics.com

Much obliged if anyone could shed some light

Ross

 

[Nick]

Hi Ross,

Manor Park classics is just down the road from me and they always have something interesting so I usually pop along for some window shopping. You may already be aware the car is known to the GT 40 Enthusiasts Club and is on their register of cars although it appears it may have been green at some point.

Not sure about the DVLA registration I think it would be better if the V5 could be changed to Ford like the website and not Cortina. The DVLA were cracking down a few years ago and whilst getting it through an IVA can be done, due to its age I suspect it could be problematic. I will ask a couple of experts I know and see if they can confirm anything.

With a bit of work it's going to make a beautiful car, congratulations.

Nick

 

[Ross]

Hi Nick,

Many thanks on your reply, Manor park classics do have some interesting cars, i see they have a marcos mantara going for auction on the 26th.

On the v5 it says Make : Ford, Model : Cortina.

Interestingly as i live in Northern Ireland while part of the UK it seems the IVA rules may be a little different

''NI protocol requires NI to continue to apply the European Union (EU) rules on vehicle type approval. Useful information on vehicle approval requirements and certification can be found at the Vehicle Certification Agency (VCA)''
But it also states a little more hopefully...

Exemptions from Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA)​

You don’t need vehicle approval for:

• heavy goods vehicles (more than 3,500kg maximum weight) over 25 years old
• light goods vehicles (3,500kg maximum weight or less) over 10 years old

Would be great if the whole thing could be avoided on original v5

Ross

 

[Nick]

Hi Ross,

Fingers crossed for you.

Manor Park do indeed have a Marcos at a very reasonable estimate. Always liked their cars so hope to go and see it seems a very reasonable estimate. Must remember to pay my Mersey Flow toll this time, as I don't think I will be able to talk my way out of the fine for not paying it for a 2nd time

 

[Kev Farrington]

Back when (SVA) was introduced ( later known as IVA ) there was a delay so I got my 40 properly registered as a 1969 gt40. It had been on a modified V5 as many were and still are. I`m not sure what I would do in your circumstance but plenty on here can advise.

 

[Steve Dean]

Hi Ross, please allow me to give you some input, although it will not be what you want to hear. Clearly your KVA was built using a number of parts from a Ford 'Cortina' and I presume it was the original 1967 vehicle on the V5C. The DVLA currently will believe it is still a Cortina as they have not been informed of the change. You will almost certainly get the V5C back with name/address details changed and no queries. However the vehicle is incorrectly described. When you finish the restoration and try to insure the vehicle, you will have to state what kind of vehicle it is. If you are honest and state it's a Ford GT40 replica, then the insurance company will input the registration and query why it is shown as a Ford 'Cortina'. You can't bluff you way out of this.
If you pretend it's still a 'Cortina' and then you are involved in an accident or stopped by the police then you will be in for a world of pain. This could result in the insurance company refusing a claim as the vehicle is falsely described. The police would pursue a prosecution.
It is possible to put the car through a current IVA test, but an old KVA will almost certainly fail (on multiple issues) unless it is brought up to date with current regulations. This is absolutely do-able but will require lots of modifications and if it passes it will be allocated a Q plate (because you won't have all the receipts and certification for the parts used.
I have no knowledge regarding how the IVA regulations are applied (or not) in Northern Ireland but the KVA is NOT a Light Goods Vehicle.
If you would like any further input you are welcome to contact me.
Sorry if the above is not good news, however, as a fellow enthusiast and GT40 owner, I want you to be aware of the facts.
If any other forum members wish to add to this thread then please do so, so we can give Ross sound advice.

 

[Martin]

Hi Ross, let sleeping dogs lie. If I were you I would do what ever needed to avoid the IVA and just enjoy your car as it is, the IVA is getting tougher all the time and I'm sure would test you patience and sanity. A great number of things on that car will likely not pass current IVA just as many other cars from that era and just one example would be the mirrors, interior mirror is fine but the regs state that the drivers side mirror must be adjustable from the drivers position, well I'm assuming the cars has windows installed on the doors which are immovable. One way of getting around this issue was to leave the door windows out through the IVA process but unless you want to remove your windows and make the car look like it never had them you are already in a bit of a pickle. I solved this problem on mine by mounting SPA style mirrors on stalks that pass through a spherical mount on the door, the other end of that stalk has a short handle attached that protrudes in to the glove box in the door for adjustment. I reckon that little engineering exercise cost me over £500 though so perhaps not an ideal solution. Insurance wise I would just make sure when you buy your policy that the insurers are in no doubt as to what they are insuring, it needn't be too difficult if you use a specialist insurer. Good luck.