You mean they don't have welfare, food stamps, medicaid, medicare, healthcare, and 1200 other enabling social programs? Sounds like a nice place to live.
B.O. Supports Mosque near ground zero.
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Al,
There may be a fly in the ointment I did a bit more digging for you, (no need to thank me.)
There is a small but growing amount of conversions among the wider New Zealand population and Islam is the fastest growing religion amongst the Maori community.
Dam Maori's next they will be wanting to build Mosques, any one would think it was their bloody countr.....Ooops.
No worries plan B.
Census figures show the number of Maori Muslims increased from 99 to 708 in the 10 years to 2001. But Kireka-Whaanga, the leader of "Aotearoa Maori Muslim Association" (AMMA), said numbers had shot up since September 11, as global media focused on radical Islam.
I got my spies the British Peoples Overseas Intelligence Lookouts (BP OIL) for short to investigate these obvious extremists and they have assured me they definitely have weapons of mass destruction so we can invade immediately.
There may be a fly in the ointment I did a bit more digging for you, (no need to thank me.)
There is a small but growing amount of conversions among the wider New Zealand population and Islam is the fastest growing religion amongst the Maori community.
Dam Maori's next they will be wanting to build Mosques, any one would think it was their bloody countr.....Ooops.
No worries plan B.
Census figures show the number of Maori Muslims increased from 99 to 708 in the 10 years to 2001. But Kireka-Whaanga, the leader of "Aotearoa Maori Muslim Association" (AMMA), said numbers had shot up since September 11, as global media focused on radical Islam.
I got my spies the British Peoples Overseas Intelligence Lookouts (BP OIL) for short to investigate these obvious extremists and they have assured me they definitely have weapons of mass destruction so we can invade immediately.
Like every country NZ has its own set of social problems, and we do have welfare and all the other blood sucking drains on our economy, But it is in proportion, Smaller population=smaller problems and there is plenty of places to go if you don't want to be around people. Its the big cities that have the issues and when you consider 1/3rd of our population live in 1 city its simple, Don't Live There. and it sounds like you don't want to be CH CH either. I hope all my friends that do live there are OK.
Leonmac.
Leonmac.
Hi LeonMac,
Sorry for the thread drift, but.
I am as capable as anyone else in moaning about paying to much tax, in reality though, is anyone who is contemplating, or actually spending anywhere between £20,000 to £100,000 on what is essentially a toy, really affected adversely by any "blood sucking drains on the economy"?
Please God we never go back to this:-
'The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?' said Scrooge.
'At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge,' said the gentleman, taking up a pen, 'it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.'
'Are there no prisons?"
'Plenty of prisons,' said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
'And the Union workhouses.' demanded Scrooge. 'Are they still in operation?'
'Both very busy, sir.'
'Oh. I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,' said Scrooge. 'I'm very glad to hear it.'
'Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,' returned the gentleman, 'a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?'
'Nothing!' Scrooge replied.
'You wish to be anonymous?'
'I wish to be left alone,' said Scrooge. 'Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned-they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.'
'Many can't go there; and many would rather die.'
'If they would rather die,' said Scrooge, 'they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
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Anyone see the Bee-OH press conference today?
The representative from Fox asked him directly what his opinion regarding the building of the mosque on GZ was.
Bee-OH, in his standard political double-speak manner, did what I had hoped he would do.....he avoided revealing his PERSONAL opinion regarding whether or not the mosque should be built on that site. He was not holding the press conference as a private citizen, he was holding the press conference as POTUS.
What he did do was state repeatedly throughout the entire press conference that we are NOT at war with Islam, we are at war with Al Qieda, a terrorist organization that has killed more Muslims than any other entity.
His comment was that if a church could be built at GZ, if a synagogue could be built as GZ, if a Hindu temple could be built at GZ, then a mosque could be buit at GZ. His point was that the U.S. is built upon the idea that any religion is free to worship in any manner and in any building that it choses.....hard to argue with that.
My only issue with all this is that I wonder if there are any members of Al Qieda who are NOT Muslim......or, if Al Qieda might be a de facto "arm" of the Muslim religion, whether formally recognized or not.
Myself, I am not the POTUS so I can make my own personal opinion known....I still believe that if the Imam were interested in better relations in the U.S., he would take his mosque far away from GZ out of respect for the feelings of the huge majority of U.S. citizens. There is no reason it HAS to be there.....unless he's trying to rub our noses in the stench of death caused by what I believe to be an organization with ties to Islam, however attenuated they may appear.
Doug
The representative from Fox asked him directly what his opinion regarding the building of the mosque on GZ was.
Bee-OH, in his standard political double-speak manner, did what I had hoped he would do.....he avoided revealing his PERSONAL opinion regarding whether or not the mosque should be built on that site. He was not holding the press conference as a private citizen, he was holding the press conference as POTUS.
What he did do was state repeatedly throughout the entire press conference that we are NOT at war with Islam, we are at war with Al Qieda, a terrorist organization that has killed more Muslims than any other entity.
His comment was that if a church could be built at GZ, if a synagogue could be built as GZ, if a Hindu temple could be built at GZ, then a mosque could be buit at GZ. His point was that the U.S. is built upon the idea that any religion is free to worship in any manner and in any building that it choses.....hard to argue with that.
My only issue with all this is that I wonder if there are any members of Al Qieda who are NOT Muslim......or, if Al Qieda might be a de facto "arm" of the Muslim religion, whether formally recognized or not.
Myself, I am not the POTUS so I can make my own personal opinion known....I still believe that if the Imam were interested in better relations in the U.S., he would take his mosque far away from GZ out of respect for the feelings of the huge majority of U.S. citizens. There is no reason it HAS to be there.....unless he's trying to rub our noses in the stench of death caused by what I believe to be an organization with ties to Islam, however attenuated they may appear.
Doug
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Just do a public burial of a pig at the site of the proposed Mosque.
The area is then tainted and they won't build there.
The area is then tainted and they won't build there.
I like the idea, but this is hallowed ground in the middle of NYC.....getting a permit to bury a dead pig would be next to impossible. I'd like to think that somebody might be able to sneak in, bury a pig there and video the process, then post it online and forward a copy to the Imam...........but I suspect that there is plenty of surveilance onsite, both human and technological.
How are ya enjoying retirement, Pete?
Cheers from Doug!!
How are ya enjoying retirement, Pete?
Cheers from Doug!!
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Loving it thanks Doug, spent five hours yesterday teaching a newborn foal how to suckle...Don't go there, subject for a different thread.:laugh:
So it's harder to bury a pig than build a Mosque....Go figure!
Here's a scary son of a bitch! He keeps talking about allah. It doesn't matter if there are good ones with assholes like this trying to convince the gullible ones.
An Alarming video every Westerner should see - posted by Memri Videos (MEMRITVVideos) - tangle.com
An Alarming video every Westerner should see - posted by Memri Videos (MEMRITVVideos) - tangle.com
A worthwhile read!
Dr. Emanuel Tanay
Subject: German View of Islam
This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have
ever read.
His references to past history are accurate and clear.
Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read.
Dr. Emanuel Tanay, a well-known and
well-respected psychiatrist.
A German's View on Islam
A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a
number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people
were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward
fanaticism.
'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of
German pride, and many more were too busy to care.
I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So,
the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it,
they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.
My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies
destroyed my factories.'
We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is
the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to
live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is
entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel
better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging
across the globe in the name of Islam.
The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is
the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting
wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian
or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire
continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder,
or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It
is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims
and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to
become suicide bombers.
The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent
majority,' is cowed and extraneous.
Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace,
yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 40
million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge
population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a
staggering 70 million people.
The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering
sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia
in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million
Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.
And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be
said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?
History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our
powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:
* Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
* Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because
like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the
fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.
* Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs,
Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many
others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was
too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the
only group that counts--the fanatics who threaten our way of life.
Dr. Emanuel Tanay
Subject: German View of Islam
This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have
ever read.
His references to past history are accurate and clear.
Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read.
Dr. Emanuel Tanay, a well-known and
well-respected psychiatrist.
A German's View on Islam
A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a
number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people
were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward
fanaticism.
'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of
German pride, and many more were too busy to care.
I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So,
the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it,
they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.
My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies
destroyed my factories.'
We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is
the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to
live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is
entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel
better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging
across the globe in the name of Islam.
The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is
the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting
wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian
or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire
continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder,
or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It
is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims
and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to
become suicide bombers.
The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent
majority,' is cowed and extraneous.
Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace,
yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 40
million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge
population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a
staggering 70 million people.
The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering
sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia
in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million
Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.
And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be
said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?
History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our
powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:
* Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
* Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because
like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the
fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.
* Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs,
Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many
others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was
too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the
only group that counts--the fanatics who threaten our way of life.
Al,
Do you apply the same rhetoric to Christians?
Reverend Terry Jones has suspended the Quran burning.
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I don't believe that Jones has been talking about bringing anthrax anyplace to kill 300k+ people. He is however a publicity seeker, not a terrorist. Poor comparison.
Al, if you have any proof-positive information that the Imam who is attempting to build the mosque is also talking about bringing in anthrax for this purpose (and, I ask, what other purpose does anthrax have?), then I, for one, would like to see it, and I am sure that if it is true, the authorities would also like to see it.
I foresee that the Imam could be charged with making a terroristic threat, if it is true.
How about posting more proof regarding this issue, please.
Thanks!
Cheers from Doug!!
Is a terrorist less of a terrorist because they could be the cause of 1 death instead of 300.000.
Jones certainly seems to have frightened / terrorised these people.
The Vatican issued a statement calling the planned incineration "outrageous and grave".
The US Defence Secretary, Robert Gates, said that he fully supported the message released this week by his commander in Afghanistan, General David Petraeus, arguing that torching the Korans would worsen tensions between Islamic countries and the West and endanger US soldiers on the ground.
Gen. David Petraeus warned in an e-mail to The Associated Press that "images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan - and around the world - to inflame public opinion and incite violence."
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Amazing that just one bible thumping whacko could almost bring the world to a resounding full stop..
But where would Mr Jones have been without the media's rush to publicise that insane act?
Fear is the enemy. And the Western Media is the willing purveyor of fear which inspires the hatred.
For Profit & Power while politicians flounder in their wake.
But where would Mr Jones have been without the media's rush to publicise that insane act?
Fear is the enemy. And the Western Media is the willing purveyor of fear which inspires the hatred.
For Profit & Power while politicians flounder in their wake.
You didn't look at post # 470, I wasn't talking about that iman.
Did you see post #470? And yes there is a difference between 1 person and 300k people. I don't see Jones as a "terrorist", a publicity seeking nut, yes. Could he ultimately cause harm and retaliation by the "peaceful" muslim world? Yes. But at the same time, we don't do anything when the "peaceful" muslims lop the head off a journalist on tv. We don't get into a murderous rage over cartoons either, but the "peaceful" muslims do.
And there you have it! Just like the tune, "Dirty laundry". The media stirs the pot!
Sorry Al can't agree.
A murder is a murder it dosn't matter if it is 1 or 300k it's still murder.
