B.O. Supports Mosque near ground zero.
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This is quite relevant. Sorry if it's been posted before and it does get the topic back on track.
Speaks very well doesn't he?
Any comments?
Pat Condell on Ground Zero mosque: "Is it possible to be astonished, but not surprised?" - Jihad Watchhttp://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/p...sible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised.html
Speaks very well doesn't he?
Any comments?
Pat Condell on Ground Zero mosque: "Is it possible to be astonished, but not surprised?" - Jihad Watchhttp://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/p...sible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised.html
Guys,
Just got this video. The speaker is said to be a professor at Kuwait University:
An Alarming video every Westerner should see - posted by Memri Videos (MEMRITVVideos) - tangle.com
He talks about anthrax, Hezbollah in Lebanon, Afthanistan, the fact that dialogue with the Jews is prohibited by the Koran, and encourages his listeners to take up arms (without using those words).
Just got this video. The speaker is said to be a professor at Kuwait University:
An Alarming video every Westerner should see - posted by Memri Videos (MEMRITVVideos) - tangle.com
He talks about anthrax, Hezbollah in Lebanon, Afthanistan, the fact that dialogue with the Jews is prohibited by the Koran, and encourages his listeners to take up arms (without using those words).
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Tolerance
I wonder if tolerance is a one sided deal.
I am perplexed that so many people are against a mosque being built near Ground Zero. I think it should be the goal of every American to be tolerant. The mosque should be allowed, in an effort to promote tolerance.
That is why I also propose, that two gay nightclubs be opened next door to the mosque thereby promoting tolerance within the mosque. We could call the clubs "The Turban Cowboy" and "You Mecca Me So Hot".
Next door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork and have an open barbeque with spare ribs as its daily special. Across the street a very daring lingerie store called "Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret” with sexy mannequins in the window modelling the goods.
Next door to the lingerie shop, there would be room for an Adult Toy Shop (Koranal Knowledge?), its name in flashing neon lights, and on the other side a liquor store, maybe call it "Morehammered"?
If you agree in promoting tolerance and you think this is a good plan, pass it on.
(Keith I also noticed the increased "random error" in the GPS. Bit of a worry? Might have something to do with the Commonwealth Games?)
I wonder if tolerance is a one sided deal.
I am perplexed that so many people are against a mosque being built near Ground Zero. I think it should be the goal of every American to be tolerant. The mosque should be allowed, in an effort to promote tolerance.
That is why I also propose, that two gay nightclubs be opened next door to the mosque thereby promoting tolerance within the mosque. We could call the clubs "The Turban Cowboy" and "You Mecca Me So Hot".
Next door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork and have an open barbeque with spare ribs as its daily special. Across the street a very daring lingerie store called "Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret” with sexy mannequins in the window modelling the goods.
Next door to the lingerie shop, there would be room for an Adult Toy Shop (Koranal Knowledge?), its name in flashing neon lights, and on the other side a liquor store, maybe call it "Morehammered"?
If you agree in promoting tolerance and you think this is a good plan, pass it on.
(Keith I also noticed the increased "random error" in the GPS. Bit of a worry? Might have something to do with the Commonwealth Games?)
As an expert sailor Pete (Hello) you'll know that only happens when the US Military are up to something....
Talking of which I just happened to be crossing the Channel from Guernsey when Operation 'Enduring Stormy Desert Mother Battle' started (sorry Gulf 2) and was approaching the mid channel beacon CH1 which is the lane separator for the super duper tanker wanker highway byway, when everything on the GPS when crazy.
Then dead.
Oooer.
Although it's only 90 miles across it can get a bit tricky but I followed a Ferry and all was well! :thumbsup:
Talking of which I just happened to be crossing the Channel from Guernsey when Operation 'Enduring Stormy Desert Mother Battle' started (sorry Gulf 2) and was approaching the mid channel beacon CH1 which is the lane separator for the super duper tanker wanker highway byway, when everything on the GPS when crazy.
Then dead.
Oooer.
Although it's only 90 miles across it can get a bit tricky but I followed a Ferry and all was well! :thumbsup:
Charlie Farley
Supporter
Can i put Gammon in the foundations of the Mosque ?
Go on, be a dare \!!
It will be organic, for Christ's sake !!!!
Go on, be a dare \!!
It will be organic, for Christ's sake !!!!
Charlie Farley
Supporter
I'm just reminded by Jesus's 40 days in the wilderness.
Coudn't we do the same.
Test MyHamhead with a batch of spare ribs?
Would he know the difference these days, after all
pork tastes just like halal chicken ?
At least at my take away it does, and its run by asians.
How refreshing to see a believer of Islam with some common sense:
"Prince Walid offered a two-pronged explanation for why he was opposed to the project: he said out of respect for Islam, it does not belong at the proposed location because of its proximity to a strip club; and out of deference to the families of 9/11 victims who might feel antagonized, the Islamic center should not be near ground zero. “I respect all religions,” he said. "
Not at all difficult to believe the connection between the Prince and FNN, though....I bet that galls a few of the radical right-wing talking heads at FNN (would have enjoyed hearing what Glenn Beck had to say)!!!
Cheers from Doug!
"Prince Walid offered a two-pronged explanation for why he was opposed to the project: he said out of respect for Islam, it does not belong at the proposed location because of its proximity to a strip club; and out of deference to the families of 9/11 victims who might feel antagonized, the Islamic center should not be near ground zero. “I respect all religions,” he said. "
Not at all difficult to believe the connection between the Prince and FNN, though....I bet that galls a few of the radical right-wing talking heads at FNN (would have enjoyed hearing what Glenn Beck had to say)!!!
Cheers from Doug!
Doug,
Thanks for the post gives you hope.
This seems unbelivable, is this really true
"In 2001, he sought to donate $10 million to the victims of 9/11, but the money was refused by Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani because the prince had made critical comments about United States foreign policy. In his statement at the time, he said the United States “should re-examine its policies in the Middle East and adopt a more balanced stand toward the Palestinian cause.”
Nick, if you look at the offer, the prince said in 2002 that the US should examine its mid-east policies, and Giuliani didn't see it that way.
Here's what Bill O'Reilly said on Fox News (shock) about Raouf and what he would do in an interview with a Hindu.
Deepak Chopra in No Spin Zone | FoxNews.com
Here's what Bill O'Reilly said on Fox News (shock) about Raouf and what he would do in an interview with a Hindu.
Deepak Chopra in No Spin Zone | FoxNews.com
A little fact that has escaped the main stream media.
Federally Funded Islam?
Austin Hill
Austin Hill is a Talk Show Host at Boise, Idaho's 580 KIDO Radio, and a frequent guest host at Washington, DC's 630 WMAL Radio. He is the Author of "White House: Confidential - The Little Book Of Weird Presidential History," and the Co-Author of the new release "The Virtues Of Capitalism: A Moral Case For Free Markets."
It’s disturbing that we even need to have this conversation.
It’ll be more disturbing if the Obama Administration doesn’t intervene and stop the process.
The people behind the controversial “Park 51” Islamic mosque project in Lower Manhattan have apparently applied several times for federal grant money with the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation. LMDC is officially a New York state agency, but the money that this agency doles-out for the purposes of “reconstructing New York city” in 9-11’s aftermath is nonetheless federal tax money.
The money is administered through the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, while “HUD” itself is overseen by President Obama’s hand-picked cabinet officer, Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. Thus, it is accurate to say that President Obama and his Administration have a very direct connection with this project – and somebody from the Administration needs to take a stand, do the right thing, and put a halt to it.
Much of the debate over the “Park 51” has involved concerns that the intended location of the project would be “offensive.” The “offense” is found in the fact that the would-be mosque is to be built not far from the region formerly known as “ground zero,” and in the fact that ( no matter how much President Obama and his Administration wants to pretend otherwise) those who attacked our nation on 9-11 were self-described Muslims.
Yet President Obama and his friends in the Administration seem to be disconnected from the many ways in which Americans are offended with the building an Islamic mosque, in a region where Americans were killed by Muslims. In fact, President Obama and several of his top Administration officials (include Attorney General Eric Holder and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano here) seem helplessly enslaved to a far left-wing approach to such moral dilemmas, which leaves the views and sentiments of everyday Americans out-of-grasp for the Administration.
This approach can roughly be characterized in three very simplistic assumptions: A) Religious traditions, cultures, world views, and moral systems are all relative to one –another; none is any better than any of its counterparts. B) The only reason that an adherent to a particular religion or world view, or a member of any particular culture would do harm to anybody else is because of an unjust power struggle –this is to say that those who do harm to others do so simply because they haven’t been given adequate material provision or economic opportunity; and C) If government can be used to “level the playing field” – that is, if the “strong” (or “wealthy” or “majority class”) can be made a bit weaker, and the “weak” (the “poor” or the “the minority class” ) can be made stronger, then some arbitrary definition of “fairness” with ensue and everyone will begin to peacefully coexist.
This is why, despite three terrorist attacks on American soil in the last 12 months, all of which were committed by young men of Middle Eastern descent who identified themselves as “Muslims,” President Obama nonetheless continues to reiterate to the Muslim world that “America is not at war with Islam.” This is also why the Obama Administration pretends that a Catholic Nun, or a 7 year-old child, or an elderly man in his 70’s are all just as likely to be packing explosives adjacent to their genitals, as anybody else who wants to board a commercial aircraft. None among us is any better or any worse than anybody else, so the liberal thinking goes, and if we all get the same treatment, then the occasional bad behavior will cease.
Of course, the world doesn’t actually operate this way. In fact, the “real world” in which we all must live is far different from the theoretical world of American academic elites. But, so far as we can tell, Barack Obama has spent most of his life in the world of academic elites (according to my calculation he is only the second U.S. President to have been raised almost entirely by “intellectuals,”), and abandoning his assumption that American culture and Islamic culture are morally neutral is likely impossible for our President.
Thus, President Obama will likely continue to offend American sensibilities with his bowing to foreign heads of state, his repeated displays of “kindness” and “assurances” to predominantly Muslim nations, and all the rest. Yet he has taken the offensiveness to an entirely new level, with the prospect that our tax dollars (or more accurately, our children’s and grandchildren’s tax dollars) will be spent on an Islamic house of worship.
This proposal runs afoul of the so-called “separation of church and state” that is usually top of mind for liberals. But it also means that American taxpayers could end-up helping to fund the very ideological system that is committed to our nation’s destruction.
Will somebody in the Obama Administration stand up and do the right thing – even if our President is incapable of doing so?
Federally Funded Islam?
Austin Hill
Austin Hill is a Talk Show Host at Boise, Idaho's 580 KIDO Radio, and a frequent guest host at Washington, DC's 630 WMAL Radio. He is the Author of "White House: Confidential - The Little Book Of Weird Presidential History," and the Co-Author of the new release "The Virtues Of Capitalism: A Moral Case For Free Markets."
It’s disturbing that we even need to have this conversation.
It’ll be more disturbing if the Obama Administration doesn’t intervene and stop the process.
The people behind the controversial “Park 51” Islamic mosque project in Lower Manhattan have apparently applied several times for federal grant money with the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation. LMDC is officially a New York state agency, but the money that this agency doles-out for the purposes of “reconstructing New York city” in 9-11’s aftermath is nonetheless federal tax money.
The money is administered through the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, while “HUD” itself is overseen by President Obama’s hand-picked cabinet officer, Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. Thus, it is accurate to say that President Obama and his Administration have a very direct connection with this project – and somebody from the Administration needs to take a stand, do the right thing, and put a halt to it.
Much of the debate over the “Park 51” has involved concerns that the intended location of the project would be “offensive.” The “offense” is found in the fact that the would-be mosque is to be built not far from the region formerly known as “ground zero,” and in the fact that ( no matter how much President Obama and his Administration wants to pretend otherwise) those who attacked our nation on 9-11 were self-described Muslims.
Yet President Obama and his friends in the Administration seem to be disconnected from the many ways in which Americans are offended with the building an Islamic mosque, in a region where Americans were killed by Muslims. In fact, President Obama and several of his top Administration officials (include Attorney General Eric Holder and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano here) seem helplessly enslaved to a far left-wing approach to such moral dilemmas, which leaves the views and sentiments of everyday Americans out-of-grasp for the Administration.
This approach can roughly be characterized in three very simplistic assumptions: A) Religious traditions, cultures, world views, and moral systems are all relative to one –another; none is any better than any of its counterparts. B) The only reason that an adherent to a particular religion or world view, or a member of any particular culture would do harm to anybody else is because of an unjust power struggle –this is to say that those who do harm to others do so simply because they haven’t been given adequate material provision or economic opportunity; and C) If government can be used to “level the playing field” – that is, if the “strong” (or “wealthy” or “majority class”) can be made a bit weaker, and the “weak” (the “poor” or the “the minority class” ) can be made stronger, then some arbitrary definition of “fairness” with ensue and everyone will begin to peacefully coexist.
This is why, despite three terrorist attacks on American soil in the last 12 months, all of which were committed by young men of Middle Eastern descent who identified themselves as “Muslims,” President Obama nonetheless continues to reiterate to the Muslim world that “America is not at war with Islam.” This is also why the Obama Administration pretends that a Catholic Nun, or a 7 year-old child, or an elderly man in his 70’s are all just as likely to be packing explosives adjacent to their genitals, as anybody else who wants to board a commercial aircraft. None among us is any better or any worse than anybody else, so the liberal thinking goes, and if we all get the same treatment, then the occasional bad behavior will cease.
Of course, the world doesn’t actually operate this way. In fact, the “real world” in which we all must live is far different from the theoretical world of American academic elites. But, so far as we can tell, Barack Obama has spent most of his life in the world of academic elites (according to my calculation he is only the second U.S. President to have been raised almost entirely by “intellectuals,”), and abandoning his assumption that American culture and Islamic culture are morally neutral is likely impossible for our President.
Thus, President Obama will likely continue to offend American sensibilities with his bowing to foreign heads of state, his repeated displays of “kindness” and “assurances” to predominantly Muslim nations, and all the rest. Yet he has taken the offensiveness to an entirely new level, with the prospect that our tax dollars (or more accurately, our children’s and grandchildren’s tax dollars) will be spent on an Islamic house of worship.
This proposal runs afoul of the so-called “separation of church and state” that is usually top of mind for liberals. But it also means that American taxpayers could end-up helping to fund the very ideological system that is committed to our nation’s destruction.
Will somebody in the Obama Administration stand up and do the right thing – even if our President is incapable of doing so?
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
Do you want me to explain the Constitutional and factual errors in that bunch of mess or would you rather take some time and do some reading on your own?
