Liberals gone wild.

Do you Bob?

The whole "we saved you guys" rhetoric is so old. I for one am grateful to the USA. But, lets not forget, you only got involved after we had stood alone for a considerable time. Did you help us fend off the Luftwaffe after Dunkirk? I don't remember seeing waves and waves of Mustangs swooping to our defence in the summer of 1940. I also seem to recall the Societ Union shipping supplies to us whilst we stood alone. I feel quite strongly, that we managed to quite successfully defend our own boders thank you very much. Hiter gave up any plans to invade the UK before you guys 'saved' us.

Was our little Island Nation able to defend the whole of Europe against the enemy, well no, I'll give you that one. Thanks for the help. But frankly Bob, do you ask for thanks for the presents you give at Christmas every week of the following year?

As for defence from the Soviet Union, I don't recall them ever threatening our borders. I remember us standing with you when they had ICBM's pointed right in your face.

I am no historian however, so by all means, correct me where I'm wrong. And on behalf my Nation, let me personally extend my thanks to you for finally choosing to come to our aid whilst there was stil a fight left to be fought.

Again, see post #160.
The big reason we got involved is because the policies of Roosevelt weren't working and the depression raged on. IMHO.
 
Re-read my edited post.

I don't think that we could have for one second. What has that got to do with having a "free military ride" as you put it.... NOTHING. Everything done on our behalf by the US has been paid for by us in one way or another believe me.

Be consistent in your argument Bob, don't obfuscate or deflect please.

Not sure if this is valid, but I remember my dad telling me in the early 1960s that he served in the US Navy with a fellow that was on a ship (can't remember if it was British or US flagged but most likely British flagged as the US wasn't at war) that helped to sink the Bismark. The US was obviously helping the British out and thank God we did. Whether we got paid for it?????
 
Again, see post #160.
The big reason we got involved is because the policies of Roosevelt weren't working and the depression raged on. IMHO.

Let me note that after the 1936 election, Roosevelt moved his politics to the left and caused the second leg of the depression to hit. Actually, Roosevelt's policies before the election were actually putting people back to work.
 
Let me note that after the 1936 election, Roosevelt moved his politics to the left and caused the second leg of the depression to hit. Actually, Roosevelt's policies before the election were actually putting people back to work.

I believe most of that work was temporary government work. The recovery could not take place until the private sector was able to recover. All the socialist programs just hindered that as B.O.'s policies have stretched out this recession far longer than the historical norm.
 
I believe most of that work was temporary government work. The recovery could not take place until the private sector was able to recover. All the socialist programs just hindered that as B.O.'s policies have stretched out this recession far longer than the historical norm.

Take a look at the entire world economy. I am in no way defending BO's decisions, I am in no place to be doing that, but to think that any president can magically do something to "fix" our economy while the rest of the world struggles seems a bit naive. I truly think our economy would still be struggling right now even with a republican in the white house making what are perceived as all the "right" decisions, simply because all of our domestic economies are far too intertwined, especially the financial / banking sector. Don't forget the HUGE amounts of money we spent invading a country - that in no way was going to do any good for our economy. I'm not bringing that up for any reason except to justifiably include it as a reason for the situation we're in - whether it was right or wrong to go there is a different discussion; the undeniable fact is that is has cost us A LOT of money. You would be appalled to know how much money it is costing us just move fuel around. You would be appalled to know how much it is costing us to keep all those tents and structures cool. You would be appalled to know how much it is costing us to truck water in to drink. And the list goes on...

Everything BO has done and can do pales in comparison to the economic hit we took going into Iraq and having the banking / financial industry make the greedy and selfish choices that humans are known to make.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Chris,

You are absolutly right, most folks here have no idea that this economic problem is all over the World. Avtually we are much better off than most of Europe and Japan.
 
Take a look at the entire world economy. I am in no way defending BO's decisions, I am in no place to be doing that, but to think that any president can magically do something to "fix" our economy while the rest of the world struggles seems a bit naive. I truly think our economy would still be struggling right now even with a republican in the white house making what are perceived as all the "right" decisions, simply because all of our domestic economies are far too intertwined, especially the financial / banking sector. Don't forget the HUGE amounts of money we spent invading a country - that in no way was going to do any good for our economy. I'm not bringing that up for any reason except to justifiably include it as a reason for the situation we're in - whether it was right or wrong to go there is a different discussion; the undeniable fact is that is has cost us A LOT of money. You would be appalled to know how much money it is costing us just move fuel around. You would be appalled to know how much it is costing us to keep all those tents and structures cool. You would be appalled to know how much it is costing us to truck water in to drink. And the list goes on...

Everything BO has done and can do pales in comparison to the economic hit we took going into Iraq and having the banking / financial industry make the greedy and selfish choices that humans are known to make.

Good Points, Aero. The wars will end, but the things B.O. is doing will cripple the economy for a very long time, just like Roosevelt's did.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Bob, you have no idea what you are talking about!

Roosevelt inherited the Republican depression, When he died the US had by far the best economy in the world and it has only gotten better.
 
Bob, you have no idea what you are talking about!

Roosevelt inherited the Republican depression, When he died the US had by far the best economy in the world and it has only gotten better.

WWII got us out of the Great Depression. Even a racist like you should know that.
 
"I know I'll probably take flak for this, but........

Veek, there may be another reason all together, rather than blaming the education system that seems to serve most very well, how about this.

As I have stated many times, the main reason America is great is that we have always attracted the best and brightest from around the world. Smart people with risk taking tendancies. The lazy ones are still in Prague, or Mexico City. This has allowed the US to have for the most part a smart hard working population.

This may get me in trouble..... but there is one exception, one group missed out on the natural selection, folks who were brough here as slaves. Choice was not involved, actually we got the ones who got caught. This could help to explain why one group has a harder time being sucessful." posted by jimcraik!

Finally we get to see the inner workings of the Liberal mind.
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We defend the free world, but we do that for our own security.

Do you Bob, all on your lonesome?

Again, last time I checked, there are young men from many different flags dying on the battlefield to keep the "free" world free.

Your Myopia is cripplingly naive.
 
Well I for one, am getting pissed off with all the name-calling on here. Racist???!!!

Take it somewhere else Bob FFS

I've quoted jimcraik on post #170. Read it and tell me it is not a racist statement. I've never said anything racist in any of my posts and have been called racist many times.
 
Bob,

Tell me what part of what I said is not true!

Tell me what part of what I said is "racist"

" The lazy ones are still in Prague, or Mexico City. This has allowed the US to have for the most part a smart hard working population.

This may get me in trouble..... but there is one exception, one group missed out on the natural selection, folks who were brough here as slaves. Choice was not involved, actually we got the ones who got caught. This could help to explain why one group has a harder time being sucessful." posted by jimcraik!


Being a Liberal seems to get you a pass around here.
 
Do you Bob, all on your lonesome?

Again, last time I checked, there are young men from many different flags dying on the battlefield to keep the "free" world free.

Your Myopia is cripplingly naive.

Certainly there are soldiers from all over the free world dying on the battlefield. What I should have said is that the United States has supplied the nuclear shield over the Free World for all these years.

I have nothing but admiration for all of our Military Personnel irregardless of where they are from.
 

Keith

Moderator
I don't want to be perceived as a "you owe us" type of person. We defend the free world, but we do that for our own security.

(Own interests maybe? - Kif)

I'm just pointing out that if we go further and further into debt, and Obamacare is a ball buster, we won't be able to afford the military defense we've been supplying to ourselves and our Allies.


I do try Graham, some of it falls on stony ground though... :)

Bob, is that statement a retreat, a strategic withdrawal or are you merely attacking in a different direction?
 
I do try Graham, some of it falls on stony ground though... :)

Bob, is that statement a retreat, a strategic withdrawal or are you merely attacking in a different direction?

Tough to say, KIF. A clarification might be the best way to put it. If Craik can weasel his way out of his statement on "lazy slaves who got caught" without much of a challenge, I think I should be allowed to ease into my statement, no?
 
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