Obama Fights Lawsuit

[Doug S.]

Alvin, My second decree, would be to arrest all "true Democraps and Repooplicans".

Quite to the contrary, Faili, we have determined that since there is really no difference between the Democraps and the Repooplicans, with them both being just pits full of crooks anyway, that we are going to split them up and form new parties with equaL numbers of crooks from both of the previous parties...these new political parties will be called the Demopublicans and Republicrats.....that way there won't be any difference between the parties and the voting public can vote based on the issues rather than party loyalty.....

.....OMG, what a unique concept----by Jove, I think we've got something, there!!

So, to carry it further, the tickets this year would be Obama-Palin and McCain-Biden. However, since McCain is so peesed-off about Obama's supposed celebrity status, we have also decreed that there should be on each ticket a politician and a true celebrity.

Tickets like McCain-McLain (Shirley McLain, that is) and Obama-Madonna would be required, just for the sake of hilarity!

Doug

 

[Chris P.]

I guess the dicision is in what we think the candidates are going to do. If anyone looks at the background of the two candidates, I would think it would be a no brainer.

:huh:

No brainer how? By the fact that the Obama/Biden ticket has vastly more experience than the McCain/Palin ticket?

Obama was a state senator for 8 years, and has been a US senator for 4 years, Biden has been a US senator for 35 years.

McCain was a US representative for 4 years, and has been a state senator for 21 years. Palin has been a state governer for not quite 2 years.

Needless to say, I'm personally sick and tired of the experience argument from the right.

I'm in the center, so when I hear the right talking about America becoming Socialist or some other ridiculous fantasy of how "bad" they see things becoming. They talk about ignoring history when their own party does the same. They talk about enormous tax rates. ????? Even if taxes did go up, how in the hell do you expect us to pay for all the shit your party spends money on? I keep hearing so much negativity towards the "tax and spend" of the left, yet I see "less tax and spend" from the right. I also hear nonsense about how the left doesn't support the troops when the ignoramouses that spout this fail to recognize the difference between supporting an administration and supporting troops on the ground. Excuse me, but if you are going to put people into war, you sure as hell better be able to equip them and design in an intelligent goal FOR the war before going in if you really want to support them. If they are making that sacrifice in battle, I think paying a little more in taxes back home by those of us who are not in harms way pails in comparison when comparing sacrifices. THAT is patriotic, unlike what Palin believes as she stated in her debate.

What do I hear from the left? Only that our current president is a doorknob, and has been since before he was first elected. The interesting thing is that there is actually a lot of evidence that this is more than just one party saying nonsense about the other. Especially when a former press secretary, generals, and other prominent party members close to the administration turn away like they have been.

Basically, I hear and read more nonsense from the right than I do from the left. I was actually looking forward to voting for McCain. The man fought in a war for this country (whether or not it was a just war is one thing, the fact that he served is enormously more). That alone moves him way to the top in my opinion, except that he chose someone like Palin to run with him. Very, very poor choice. Just like when W ran, I'm saying to myself "With ALL the eligible people in the country who can offer their experience and knowledge, why Palin?" Obviously, he is putting his own personal chances at becoming president before the actual office of the president and its country first. Obama himself far lacks experience compared than McCain, but his running mate outshines the entire McCain / Palin ticket all by himself. Not to mention the fact that McCain is not running his campaign with an experienced, intelligent method and purpose. He has devolved to too much personal attack and generally seems more and more haphazard to me. I'm kind of wondering how that would translate to his actions if president.

Anyway, I had to comment after reading some of the typical anti-left drivel; as if there is nothing similar to say about the right.:laugh:

I don't wear a tin foil hat

 

[Mark Worthington]

I'm in the center

Maybe by Portland, OR standards...

 

[Al Jones]

How about a Ted Stevens/John Rowland ticket? At least you know what they'll be doing when they get in office.

 

[speed220mph]

:huh:

No brainer how? By the fact that the Obama/Biden ticket has vastly more experience than the McCain/Palin ticket?

Obama was a state senator for 8 years, and has been a US senator for 4 years, Biden has been a US senator for 35 years.

McCain was a US representative for 4 years, and has been a state senator for 21 years. Palin has been a state governer for not quite 2 years.

Needless to say, I'm personally sick and tired of the experience argument from the right.

I'm in the center, so when I hear the right talking about America becoming Socialist or some other ridiculous fantasy of how "bad" they see things becoming. They talk about ignoring history when their own party does the same. They talk about enormous tax rates. ????? Even if taxes did go up, how in the hell do you expect us to pay for all the shit your party spends money on? I keep hearing so much negativity towards the "tax and spend" of the left, yet I see "less tax and spend" from the right. I also hear nonsense about how the left doesn't support the troops when the ignoramouses that spout this fail to recognize the difference between supporting an administration and supporting troops on the ground. Excuse me, but if you are going to put people into war, you sure as hell better be able to equip them and design in an intelligent goal FOR the war before going in if you really want to support them. If they are making that sacrifice in battle, I think paying a little more in taxes back home by those of us who are not in harms way pails in comparison when comparing sacrifices. THAT is patriotic, unlike what Palin believes as she stated in her debate.

What do I hear from the left? Only that our current president is a doorknob, and has been since before he was first elected. The interesting thing is that there is actually a lot of evidence that this is more than just one party saying nonsense about the other. Especially when a former press secretary, generals, and other prominent party members close to the administration turn away like they have been.

Basically, I hear and read more nonsense from the right than I do from the left. I was actually looking forward to voting for McCain. The man fought in a war for this country (whether or not it was a just war is one thing, the fact that he served is enormously more). That alone moves him way to the top in my opinion, except that he chose someone like Palin to run with him. Very, very poor choice. Just like when W ran, I'm saying to myself "With ALL the eligible people in the country who can offer their experience and knowledge, why Palin?" Obviously, he is putting his own personal chances at becoming president before the actual office of the president and its country first. Obama himself far lacks experience compared than McCain, but his running mate outshines the entire McCain / Palin ticket all by himself. Not to mention the fact that McCain is not running his campaign with an experienced, intelligent method and purpose. He has devolved to too much personal attack and generally seems more and more haphazard to me. I'm kind of wondering how that would translate to his actions if president.

Anyway, I had to comment after reading some of the typical anti-left drivel; as if there is nothing similar to say about the right.:laugh:

I don't wear a tin foil hat

Chris, you neglecte to add, "My name is Barack Obama and I approved this message."

 

[Jack]

I thought this forum was generally about automobiles. Enough guy's!

 

[speed220mph]

I surely agree about that, but we may have to think about pulling out that FE or SB Ford and replace it with an electric motor. At least you won't have to worry about fuel injection, Webers, Holleys or the availability or cost of a transaxle!

 

[Jack]

True, true!

 

[Chris P.]

Maybe by Portland, OR standards...

Actually, I'm from Long Island and my Dad's a republican. I've only lived here for 9 years.

 

[Dave P]

I'm sorry but I need vent a little here. Mccain,Obama I am over it.
No matter which on of these jokers gets in we are still screwed. The reason who is going to pay for all these give a way programs? Obama's whole platform is like Robinhood or should I say Obamahood take from the rich and give to the poorer. Who decides on how much is rich enough? Obama? I work for a living just like many of you.
A politician slaps you on the back shakes your hand and steals your wallet when your not looking.

When Bill Clinton signed Nafta I watched my home state's economy crash as automotive businesses abandoned ship and went to Mexico or some other cheap labor place. Carl Levin stood by and watched. From the looks of it North Carolina had the same thing happen with textiles.

I personally have made a very good living over the last eight years.
If you are to lazy to work or would rather stand on the street corner and sell dope why should you get what I work hard for. Welfare is welfare
and someone has to pay for it. If you don't work you don't eat.
If you are able bodied you should work and pay taxes Maybe it should be a flat tax.

When the floor in the shop gets to cluttered with useless bits and debris you sweep it up and throw it out. Maybe we need to sweep out the house and the senate. Washington is so full of thieves the are falling out of the windows anyway.
An unchecked democratic congress is more scary to me than anything.

 

[Daryl Adams]

I'm sorry but I need vent a little here. Mccain,Obama I am over it.
No matter which on of these jokers gets in we are still screwed. The reason who is going to pay for all these give a way programs? Obama's whole platform is like Robinhood or should I say Obamahood take from the rich and give to the poorer. Who decides on how much is rich enough? Obama? I work for a living just like many of you.
A politician slaps you on the back shakes your hand and steals your wallet when your not looking.

I personally have made a very good living over the last eight years.
If you are to lazy to work or would rather stand on the street corner and sell dope why should you get what I work hard for. Welfare is welfare
and someone has to pay for it. If you don't work you don't eat.
If you are able bodied you should work and pay taxes Maybe it should be a flat tax.
.

And don't forget about the capital gains tax issue. If (when) these clowns get around to jacking the CG tax rates to "spread the wealth around" we ALL will end up paying. My retirement, which is based on the sale of my practice, will go down the drain and I will no longer be able to incentivize key employees. I've been paying the max tax rates for a long time while others have skated. Why not close the loopholes for the mega-rich and windfall jillionaires and allow those of us who have worked hard and risked everything all along the way to have our equity. WE are the ones who really create jobs.

 

[Jack]

You got that right Daryl!

 

I thought this forum was generally about automobiles. Enough guy's!

NOT THE PADDOCK,,,the best section on this otherwise "useless" Forum

Sheik does not believe in Organized religion/Crime.

However, lately Sheik has been praying to Allah 5 times a day, for Hussein to win!!

If the communist, Robin Hood, Antichrist African wins (which I highly doubt, unfortunately), all people owning more than one Plastic/Fake/Bling vehicle will have to forfeit some of their vehicles to charity.

Anyone owning multiple cars (Sheik owns more than one) should be taxed up the A$$

In fact, GT40s. Forum is utilized mostly by rich folks that think of themselves as middle class folks!!! Therefore this Forum should also be taxed. Sections having to do with 2005/2006 GT and the Original GT40 should be removed and “given” to welfare recipients for commenting.

It is very interesting, how “closet Nazis” always claim to dislike both parties, "sneak in" couple of good words for the right, but can never say ANYTHING good about the left.

If both parties are truly CRAP, then why all this worry about the African becoming the president???!!!! At the very very very very very very least,,,,he is NOT a MORON like the one you all voted for the last couple of rounds…. OR DO YOU JUST, feel “uncomfortable” talking about THAT?

I think everyone who starts a political conversation, about the Johnny or Hussein, should first say,,,”YES, I voted for a Moron for the last 8 years” Or “NO, I did not vote for a Moron the last 8 years”.

This will better help the GT40s.com members understand your “checkered” background.

 

[Al Jones]

Faili - You get my vote for Secretary of Sanity. ('No').Being on a fixed income,I will go further into the hole either way but after the last month,I don't have that much more to drop. PS: I'm waiting to hear that you took over as customer service manager at RCR .:whip: - A.J.

 

[Dave P]

Dear Fellow Business Owners

As a Business owner who employs 30 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama,
wll be our next President, and that my Taxes and Fees, will go up in a BIG way.

To compensate for these increases, I figure, that the Customer, will have to see an increase in my
fees to them of about, 8%.. I will also have to lay off 6 of my employees. This really bothered me as
I believe we are family,here and did'nt know how to choose who will have to go. So, this is what I did. I strolled thru the parking lot and found, 6 Obama bumper stickers on my employees cars. I have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off.

I can't think of another fair way to approach this problem.. If you have a better idea, let me know.
I am sending this letter to all Business owners that I know.

Sincerely
Ward
JOOA Corp

 

[Duncan Potter]

Jeez Dave, you're a real sweetheart!

Make sure you send that letter to all your customers, too. Maybe the Obama supporters among them would prefer to take their business somewhere else.
I know I would!

Not because you support McCain, but because you would fire people because of their political persuasion, instead of the worth to you as employees.

 

[speed220mph]

The best political signs I've seen:

1. "Vote for the Old Man and Hot Chick"

2. "A Taxpayer voting for Obama would be like a Chicken voting for Colonel Sanders"

 

[Brian Hamilton]

Dear Fellow Business Owners

As a Business owner who employs 30 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama,
wll be our next President, and that my Taxes and Fees, will go up in a BIG way.

To compensate for these increases, I figure, that the Customer, will have to see an increase in my
fees to them of about, 8%.. I will also have to lay off 6 of my employees. This really bothered me as
I believe we are family,here and did'nt know how to choose who will have to go. So, this is what I did. I strolled thru the parking lot and found, 6 Obama bumper stickers on my employees cars. I have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off.

I can't think of another fair way to approach this problem.. If you have a better idea, let me know.
I am sending this letter to all Business owners that I know.

Sincerely
Ward
JOOA Corp

That right there is EXACTLY what is going to happen to MOST businesses. If Obama wants to raise the taxes on the upper class who own businesses and employ the middle class, it's just going to end up hurting the middle class. Just as is the case here.

This business owner is still going to get paid, take care of his family, and take care of his bills because that's why he started this business in the first place. His employees are the ones who will suffer the burden of change. If he can teach his $8 hr secretary to do what his $16 hr salesman does, guess who he's going to fire? Business owners will cut back on staff and work themselves rather than be out the payroll. This plan will only hurt the ones it's designed to help. It's flawed in it's design greatly and I really do wish more people saw it.

I know many business owners and they all say the same thing, they will not be able to afford the staff and will have to cut back, highest paid first.

Anyway, I already cast my vote last week as I'll be out of town tomorrow. Please, everyone, go vote. It doesn't matter who your candidate of choice, just make the effort.

Laters,

Brian

 

[Dave P]

Jeez Dave, you're a real sweetheart!

Make sure you send that letter to all your customers, too. Maybe the Obama supporters among them would prefer to take their business somewhere else.
I know I would!

Not because you support McCain, but because you would fire people because of their political persuasion, instead of the worth to you as employees.

I would never fire anyone for their political preference. Someone sent this to me. I feel it makes a valid point that is why I posted it.
I am sorry you do not agree. But I do support your right to disagree.

 

[Chris P.]

This is not an attack; I am purely just curious. How do you guys propose we pay for our huge expenses such as this war? Taxing the upper middle and upper class doesn't ONLY tax business owners; that is just an unintended consequence, or "collateral" damage as the warmongers like to use. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the difference between Obama's plan and McCain's is not that Obama is taxing businesses directly, it's personal income taxes over $250,000 that has a tax increase. Of course private business owners fall into that category, but so do exorbitantly paid CEOs as an example. It is a fact that under both Reagan and W the income gap due to their respective tax decreases greatly widened between the "haves" and "have nots". Working harder and making more money is fine, but when the gap grows more and more coupled with the fact that those with lots of money can much more easily buy political clout to get even more of what they want, that is unhealthy for democracy. Think the industrial revolution.

Found this too about Obama's tax plan: Two-year plan offering $3,000 tax credit to businesses for each new job created and enabling people to withdraw up to 15 percent of their retirement money, to a maximum of $10,000, without penalty, except for the usual taxes. Would temporarily extend an expiring tax break that lets small businesses immediately write off investments of up to $250,000, and sweeten small-business loans at a cost of about $5 billion.

Sounds like's trying to help out the small businesses that would be negatively impacted by the tax changes.

Interesting thing is, some people are saying that neither McCain's nor Obama's tax plans will really do much to help the widening wealth gap, but then again I doubt it's an easy thing to do in this economic climate.