Martin,
you did a good thing.
Don't let one or two 'good old boys' put you off!
Graham.
Jesus and the existance of God gets dragged in too.
You guys are too funny.
Because Jim...in order to adequately protect you from whatever baddie is out there...be it a soldier from another country, a criminal on the street, or god forbid, your own elected officials...I must have the means at my disposal to prevent them from recovering to initiate force again, and conversely, slow me down with their care.
Guns make this possible. I prefer my enemies dead. There would be very little confusion in your mind had you ever experienced combat.
If you don't mind being a victim, by all means, ignore the police and military and go stand in front of them unarmed. I promise you, you will be relieved of your life very quickly by the enemy.
Deaths from firearms per 100,000
Australia........................3.05
Canada..........................4.08
Czech Republic................2.00
Costa Rica......................4.47
Germany........................1.47
New Zealand...................2.97
Peru..............................1.18
Poland...........................0.44
Spain.............................1.01
UK.................................0.57
United States..................14.05
You are a fear-monger and a pot-stirrer. I would call you what I feel you are, but I try to refrain from personal attacks.
What exactly do you base this attitude upon?
In every instance that I know of where a state, or even a city, has imposed strict anti gun laws, quite the opposite of your assumption has been the case. Violent crimes, involving firearms have SKYROCKETED!
Now the argument would probably then lead you to say something like, "well if guns were banned from the earth, then gun violence would be smaller, on a per capita basis." I don't think there's any arguing that. If all the guns in the world were not around, then world gun violence numbers would be lower. That's a given...but that's also not reality.
Since you are so quick to tell others what to do and how to live their lives, why don't you try this on for size. Instead of telling people they shouldn't have a power, just because of YOUR ideology, why don't YOU go out and get the power everybody else has?...Oh, wait...your government doesn't allow you that right, does it?
I consider you nothing more than a talking head for the people that RULE YOU! You may think that you are more advanced than us as a culture, and that we should all just shut up and do as you say, but, frankly, you and your opinions you try and force upon me/us mean nothing to me/us.
Now come over here and try and impose your beliefs by force, which wouldn't be possible since you don't own a gun and I do, and you'll see exactly why we Americans wish to continue to keep our right to bear arms.
See you're all talk and no action, and we all know it because we know from what position of power you come from. Therefore, we don't respect your opinion, and will never willingly give you the power we enjoy. We're not being aggressive because we have guns, as suggested may happen to people that posess the power of a gun, we just laugh at you because you have so easily given up one your most powerful rights as a person and citizen, without a second thought, and now want US to do the same. LOL.
Yes, that's me and millions of other armed citizens that are laughing at you.
It's never stopped you in the past!
People in these other countries do not commit suicide?
Deaths from firearms per 100,000
Australia........................3.05
Canada..........................4.08
Czech Republic................2.00
Costa Rica......................4.47
Germany........................1.47
New Zealand...................2.97
Peru..............................1.18
Poland...........................0.44
Spain.............................1.01
UK.................................0.57
United States..................14.05
Graham,
Even though I have no common sense, it tells me to get out of here as well.
All I want is peace and this thread just seems to fan the flames of anger.
Partly my fault for responding to the talk of God in the initial post, but for what its worth as a practising Christian (and having to do a lot of practising as I'm not very good at it) he does come into everything.
At least it bought some happiness to you.
P.S. It's average.
Mike
Using your numbers, on average each and every gun in the US is used between 9.25 and 12.9 times a year to end a violent or potentially violent situation.
You are going to have to prove that!
Mike
Using your numbers, on average each and every gun in the US is used between 9.25 and 12.9 times a year to end a violent or potentially violent situation.
You are going to have to prove that!
WOAH!!!
Why do you continually insult my opinion - as that is all it is... Does it scare you in some way. Do you feel threatened by reason?
Just a suggestion - go back to debating school, make a valid. reasoned point, backed by logic, and then we'll have a chat.
Deal?
Mike
Using your numbers, on average each and every gun in the US is used between 9.25 and 12.9 times a year to end a violent or potentially violent situation.
You are going to have to prove that!
I continually attack your opinion because I am above taking an argument into the name calling arena. (1st rule of debate class, you call someone a name you lose...)Opinions are precisely what we are discussing here.
Am I threatened by your opinion,? As I said, I couldn't care less what your opinion is, until you try and force it upon me and my fellow countrymen. Then I'll tell you what my opinion is, which is for you to take your opinion and piss off!
If you think I'm not the typical American, wait till November 3rd. Us "typical Americans" are going to take back this country. The populus was pissed at that idiot Bush and voted for a "change", only problem for the Dems is that they couldn't see the forest for the trees and thought that the last elections give them the go ahead to roll over peoples rights. The fact that the population was pissed at the establishment is why we have this dufuss of a president, but REAL change is coming. I only hope that we don't vote in idiots of the caliber of the current president just to spite the previous, irresponsible representatives. If we do, we may very well end up like Britain...yuk!
Am I threatened by your opinion,? As I said, I couldn't care less what your opinion is, until you try and force it upon me and my fellow countrymen. QUOTE]
Oh Mike...
If you don't care what my opinion is then why are you even bothering. All intelligent people know that in order to debate properly, one must first attempt to understand the others position, thereby attemping to gain an advantage within the debate through that knowledge, in order to use said knowledge as leverage for one's own argument...
I'm afraid it's back to debating school for you...
P.S don't worry, I lOVE the sound of my own voice too!
Ah, but I could wax lyrical about Britain Mike.. Its beautiful countryside, its rolling hills, Its peaceful hamlets and its shitty weather. Its wonderfully diverse populace, it's cosmopolitan outlook on life, it's general Joie de Vivre.
See, I have never moaned about the US - far from it, I love the US and it's people and its friendliness.
Why do you consistently slag off where I live?
Is it because you are a Morlock (look it up, H.G Wells is a clue)?
Nick - keep banging your drum mate, as will I.
I have to laugh.
It's not enough to have a political discussion about gun rights/control, but somehow Jesus and the existance of God gets dragged in too. Penis size next?
You guys are too funny.