The Emergence Of Real Conservatism.

[Pete McCluskey.]

I didn't really know where to put this, but I'm sure Jim or Jeff will tell me.
I thought it was an interesting read.
Obama and the Burden of History by Myron Magnet - City Journal

 

[Jim Craik]

Pete,

Just a quick glance at one place in this article makes me wonder if truth is very important to the author.

"We are withdrawing from International ledership and disarming".........

This chart shows defense spending by country for 2010 in US $.

In 2010 our defence spending was $698 billion. Our 2013 defence budget is $673 billion. A 3.5% decrease in US military spending may seem like "disarming" to the author and to conservatives, but to everyone else it seems logical with two wars winding down.

 

[Jack]

I thought the article was well written, although subjective in nature, points to the
changing morals and the degeneration of national pride. I also think that more folks should listen to Allen West. I believe that in the grand scheme of world domination, he got it right!

Firesuit on..

Just for you Pete

 

[Jim Craik]

Myron Magnet is not a History Professor, or a Sociologist, he is a conservative Columnist, that takes what could have been seen as thoughtul commentintary and shows that it is really just sour grapes.

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

He is a conservative and I know Jim that in your eyes that makes everything he says wrong. Oh goodness he is also and old white guy!
However, I think his comments on the decline of morality and respect for others is valid.

 

[Keith]

I didn't really know where to put this, but I'm sure Jim or Jeff will tell me.
I thought it was an interesting read.
Obama and the Burden of History by Myron Magnet - City Journal

Thought provoking Pete... I don't agree with his generalistic view of Britain but you could find that scenario in most towns at weekends if you wanted to, however, the British have always had an unhealthy relationship with alcohol and public order since records began.

There is no doubt we have shifted towards a more liberal/socialistic society and in some ways that is not such a bad thing. Unfortunately, due to the current party political system it is not possible to homgenise broad band political thinking to embrace the best of both worlds.

If he is implying that this shift is happening to America too, then I believe it to be inevitable as the People's engagement with politics continues to grow.

Please notice that I am not taking any sides. The time for that has been gone a long time ago - a new political initiative is desperately needed still, which is why I will not personally engage in current political rhetoric and dogma (except to take the piss).

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

Certainly a new brand of politics is required, politicians of all persuasion seem to be IMHO self serving twats with no interest in doing what is best for the country and its people. Their only interest seems to be staying in power or gaining power
Whichever applies. Time for a revolution I think.
Lonesome and Jim have already started by being as revolting as they can.:laugh::laugh:

 

[Bob Fechter]

Really now, much sound a fury signifying

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

Nothing.. Don't listen to me Bob I'm just a grumpy old white guy.

 

[Jim Craik]

The end of the new leader of the Real Consevatives!

Allen West, has finally joined me in admitting he is a loser! Although he actually lost the election two weeks ago, he has finally stopped crying long enough to conced. Good riddence.

But this is great for Consevatives, at this point the unemployed Mr West can now spend all his time leading the real Consevatives off into the sunset!

 

[craig]

I sense an obvious tone of angry old school racism in this thread....

 

[Jim Craik]

So Craig, I think you have figured it out. Even though I have always been outspoken against Conservatives, particularaly whack job consevatives, that does not apply in this case.

Craig, you have put on your thinking cap and decided that the reason I speak out against Mr West, is not because he is a whack job, but because he is black........................right!

No Craig, the tone that should be obviouse is the tone of VICTORY!

 

[Bob Fechter]

Conceding defeat doesn't change the facts on the ground. Liberals cheat.

Even liberals see the cheating.

"I had written that I am a liberal in support of Allen West getting a fair deal. I said that the Democrats appeared to be engaged in election fraud. I believed that the handling of this election eroded the efforts of voter right advocates to spotlight the voter suppression efforts of Republican Governor Rick Scott. I still feel that way. In fact I believe that the actions of the Democratic Party in St. Lucie, Florida will become the case study for Scott and others to implement even more suppressive and repressive voter rights legislation. And they will have the justification for doing so. Unfortunately, it will be aimed at the voters when all election fraud as this sorry episode proves is committed by election officials. Thanks St. Lucie, Florida. Election fraud does exist and the Democrats in Florida are up to their eyes and elbows in it."

Florida Election Results 2012: Allen West Was Robbed, Why Democrats, Too, Cheated in Florida

What the left will never understand is that a man like West isn't stopped by malfeasance, but is invigorated by it.

 

[Bob Fechter]

The problem for some here is not that Allen West is black, but that he is a Conservative black, and therefore very dangerous to the welfare plantation they own.

 

[craig]

Sure Jim and you wear a white robe and burn crosses to keep warm in the winter.....I got it:laugh:

 

[Bob Fechter]

Ku Klux Klan March in Harpers Ferry to Honor Barack Obama - ThisIs50.com

 

[Bob Fechter]

Not sent at you brother. Love the link.

Nothing.. Don't listen to me Bob I'm just a grumpy old white guy.

"Decades of teaching in the universities, the schools, even the kindergartens, along with all the lessons of Big Bird, Mister Rogers, and Oprah Winfrey, have made these habits of mind and heart pervasive—but fortunately not yet universal—in our culture. And President Obama is the incarnation of those habits in policy."

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

For my American friends, in Australia a Liberal is right wing or conservative. A laborite is left wing or socialist. Got it?



History

For those that don't know about Australian history, here is a condensed version:

Australians originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters and gatherers.
They lived on kangaroos on the plains during the summer and would then go to the coast and live on fish and mussels in the winter.
The two most important events in all Aussie history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel.
The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.


These were the foundation of modern Aussie civilisation and together were the catalyst for the splitting of Australians into two distinct sub-groups:
1. Liberals, (conservative)and
2. Labor. (SOCIALIST)

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture.
Neither the glass bottle nor aluminium can were invented so while our early Aussies were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night, while they were drinking beer.
This was the beginning of what is known as the Liberal movement

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting, learned to live off the Liberals by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing.
This was the beginning of the Labor movement
Some of these labor men eventually evolved into women. They became known as pooftas.

Some noteworthy Labor achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the Liberals provided.
Modern Laborites and Union leaders drink imported beer and they like their beef well done.
Sushi, tofu and French food are standard Labor fare.

Another interesting, evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men.
Most social workers, government workers - state and federal, personal injury lawyers, journalists (especially at The Age), ABC staff, and group therapists are Laborites.

Liberals drink domestic beer, mostly Carlton or XXXX.
They eat red meat (rare), and still provide for their women.
Liberals are police officers, engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military, airline pilots, business owners, farmers, Doctors and Nurses and generally anyone who works productively.
Liberals who own companies, hire other Liberals who want to work for a living.

Laborites produce little or nothing.
They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production.
That is why most of the laborites created the business of trying to get more for nothing - and usually plead for government money to fund their unproductive, parasitical activities.

Here ends today's lesson in Australian history.

It should be noted that a Laborite may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it.
A Liberal will simply laugh, and be so convinced of the absolute truth of history, that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more Laborites - just to piss them off.

And there you have it.

 

[craig]

Thanks Pete, you obviously know your history.:thumbsup:

 

[Jim Craik]

The story of Mr West and his unlikely defeat is starting to come out.

ALEX ISENSTADT | 11/20/12 5:45 PM EST
It wasn’t supposed to end this way for Allen West.
The tea party House freshman had an astonishing $17 million war chest, sky-high name ID and a Republican-leaning district. His opponent, Patrick Murphy, was a 29-year-old construction company executive who had never sought office before. Even Democrats privately acknowledged late in the campaign that Murphy was probably a little green to be going up against a powerhouse like West.

But on Tuesday morning, it was West, not Murphy, issuing a lengthy concession statement after a two-week recount that confirmed he had fallen a painful 2,000 or so votes short. The congressman’s unexpected loss left his advisers, donors and legion of tea party fans searching for answers.

His tight-knit circle of top campaign aides was “shocked,” said one Republican close to the incumbent.

On the eve of the election, a private survey conducted by West’s veteran pollster, Gene Ulm, had the congressman leading by 5 percentage points.

Some Republicans close to the campaign blamed West’s bombastic, no-holds-barred style —

During his brief tenure in Congress, he dished out insults like candy at Halloween — he called Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz “vile, unprofessional and despicable”; dubbed President Barack Obama “probably the dumbest person walking around in America right now,” and said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats “should get the hell out of the United States of America.”

Behind the scenes, Republicans were urging West to tone it down, advice the congressman didn’t take.

Instead of presenting his compelling life story — West rose from an upbringing in the Georgia slums, eventually becoming a military commander before running for Congress — the Republican seemed intent on tearing down Murphy in harshly personal terms.

One West TV ad blasted Murphy for his underage drinking arrest a decade ago, showing a mug shot of the intoxicated then-teenager.

“I think Allen might have been a bit too conservative for the district”

West’s congressional office got off to a particularly slow start — his first chief of staff, conservative radio talk show host Joyce Kaufman, resigned just a few days after she was hired.

“This was a congressional operation run amuck. The congressional staff couldn’t control it, they failed to manage expectations, to manage the brand,” said a Republican source close to West. “When you have something to say on national TV every time something arises, the brand is overused. The brand wasn’t carefully constructed or guided.”

“Sometimes people don’t want controversy,” the source said. “They just want a congressman.”

******************

It seems that the "Real Consevatives" would rather attack and call people names than lead. Sound familiar?