And by CBS no less!
Grade Obama's First Year in Office - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
Grade Obama's First Year in Office - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
This is interesting!
- Thread starter Al Wohlstrom
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These are just straight forward questions that don't appear to have any leanings one way or the other. They are just straight up questions. Other than skewing the numbers to those that watch CBS, there doesn't appear to be any biasing of the questions(to me). It would be interesting to see what the political views of the respondents are/were.
Bill
Bill
Some daunting numbers to some.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Here is something else I find interesting. Previously posted by me.
Guys
Am I the only one who has noticed that no one has mentioned that the last non-combat troups have left Iraq? I know there are still thousands of non-combat troups to continue "training", but our combat troups have left.
I waited several days for someone to comment, but I guess everyone is too busy missquoting, taking taking things out of context and editing tape to mention something of this magnatude.
It may be that fox infomertials do not cover this sort of thing, or mabey the people who post political stories here did not want to mention anything that would paint our President in a good light, but I think it is wonderful.
To our troops, let me be the first to say Welcome home, well done! we missed you!<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
Guys
Am I the only one who has noticed that no one has mentioned that the last non-combat troups have left Iraq? I know there are still thousands of non-combat troups to continue "training", but our combat troups have left.
I waited several days for someone to comment, but I guess everyone is too busy missquoting, taking taking things out of context and editing tape to mention something of this magnatude.
It may be that fox infomertials do not cover this sort of thing, or mabey the people who post political stories here did not want to mention anything that would paint our President in a good light, but I think it is wonderful.
To our troops, let me be the first to say Welcome home, well done! we missed you!<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
No, we all noticed Jim and don't be such a Churl mate, just chill 
but I guess we're holding our breath 'cos it ain't over. Not a mission covered in glory either and there's still Afghanistan.
I would have to say that I think the US troops did an outstanding job in Iraq, it cannot have been easy after the first shock of experiencing the hostility from many citizens and the limited rules of engagement.
I think they can hold their heads up OK.
PS You should check your other "blog" Jim. Post #278 I think, by your old friend Jack Molleur
http://www.gt40s.com/forum/paddock/32433-b-o-supports-mosque-near-ground-zero-12.html
but I guess we're holding our breath 'cos it ain't over. Not a mission covered in glory either and there's still Afghanistan.I would have to say that I think the US troops did an outstanding job in Iraq, it cannot have been easy after the first shock of experiencing the hostility from many citizens and the limited rules of engagement.
I think they can hold their heads up OK.
PS You should check your other "blog" Jim. Post #278 I think, by your old friend Jack Molleur
http://www.gt40s.com/forum/paddock/32433-b-o-supports-mosque-near-ground-zero-12.html
This is a poll, your people, CBS, try it, look at the results!
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Hay Al,
Thanks for supporting the troups.
I went to your poll page, what I got was a bunch of questions, no poll numbers, but if you go to the bottom of the page you'll find this, its quite interesting..................
Its hard to believe but Obamas unemployment numbers are almost as bad as "the great Reagan's".
Hay Al, thanks for the link!
Thanks for supporting the troups.
I went to your poll page, what I got was a bunch of questions, no poll numbers, but if you go to the bottom of the page you'll find this, its quite interesting..................
Its hard to believe but Obamas unemployment numbers are almost as bad as "the great Reagan's".
Hay Al, thanks for the link!
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You're welcome Jim, here are the current numbers.
The Economy
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A:
4.77%
B:
4.56%
C:
5.27%
D:
17.80%
F:
67.60%
Foreign Policy
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A:
6.80%
B:
4.19%
C:
7.67%
D:
21.66%
F:
59.68%
Health Care
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A:
7.14%
B:
3.01%
C:
2.87%
D:
8.31%
F:
78.67%
Afghanistan
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A:
5.67%
B:
13.60%
C:
25.96%
D:
22.84%
F:
31.93%
Iraq
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A:
5.79%
B:
10.08%
C:
24.39%
D:
23.77%
F:
35.96%
Threat of Terrorism
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A:
6.63%
B:
4.92%
C:
9.74%
D:
21.19%
F:
57.52%
Energy and the Environment
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A:
5.66%
B:
5.56%
C:
12.70%
D:
21.03%
F:
55.04%
Social Issues
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A:
6.71%
B:
4.69%
C:
10.82%
D:
18.95%
F:
58.84%
Bipartisanship
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A:
6.60%
B:
3.12%
C:
4.00%
D:
8.08%
F:
78.20%
Obama's Overall Job as President
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A:
6.28%
B:
4.03%
C:
3.69%
D:
22.25%
F:
63.76%
Hey Jim,
Time to have some fun. Since you want to go back in history, lets see if the now president can do what Regan did with so many unemployed. New jobs created with Regan= 21 million and the majority were not government jobs. Oh yeah, he did it without any stimulus, bail outs or give aways to the unions!! It was the greatest expansion in the history of this country. Didn't he do it with tax cuts? He did make one mistake though. He let the congress spend more than the extra that was coming in. And didn't I read something that this is the longest recession since the big one?? But this is Bush's fault right. Didn't it start in 2007?? Wasn't that when the Dems took over the House? Doesn't the house control all spending and tax bills?? How many tax cheats did Reagan have in his cabinet?? I forget. How many made $90 million while in public office? I don't remember that number either. I guess life was so much simpler then.
Bill
Time to have some fun. Since you want to go back in history, lets see if the now president can do what Regan did with so many unemployed. New jobs created with Regan= 21 million and the majority were not government jobs. Oh yeah, he did it without any stimulus, bail outs or give aways to the unions!! It was the greatest expansion in the history of this country. Didn't he do it with tax cuts? He did make one mistake though. He let the congress spend more than the extra that was coming in. And didn't I read something that this is the longest recession since the big one?? But this is Bush's fault right. Didn't it start in 2007?? Wasn't that when the Dems took over the House? Doesn't the house control all spending and tax bills?? How many tax cheats did Reagan have in his cabinet?? I forget. How many made $90 million while in public office? I don't remember that number either. I guess life was so much simpler then.
Bill
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Bill this is from Wikipedia
Bill I count 16.1 Million jobs created by Reagan, not your 21 million.
Clinton 22.7 Million and Clinton did not double the debt, in fact he paid off a large chunk of Reagans debt.
Bill if you look at the graph, each dip since 1975 lines up with a republican President. Who would have thought.
Bill take another look at Bush2's numbers, particularly his first term and tell us again about Bush2 and jobs creation.
Bill I bought my first house in 1981 when Reagan was President, I paid 17+% interest, tell me again about how wonderfull it was with the great Reagan.
You know Bill this is kind of fun!
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Bill I count 16.1 Million jobs created by Reagan, not your 21 million.
Clinton 22.7 Million and Clinton did not double the debt, in fact he paid off a large chunk of Reagans debt.
Bill if you look at the graph, each dip since 1975 lines up with a republican President. Who would have thought.
Bill take another look at Bush2's numbers, particularly his first term and tell us again about Bush2 and jobs creation.
Bill I bought my first house in 1981 when Reagan was President, I paid 17+% interest, tell me again about how wonderfull it was with the great Reagan.
You know Bill this is kind of fun!
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As I was in the military during the previous decade and the next 3 that followed, the Reagan debt you talk about was from the incompetent and severe cuts made by one 'Jimmy' Carter and his congress. We the country and (the military) suffered through Carter's cuts and of his congress failures as the president. Remember IRAN and Carter's flawed military incursion into IRAN? Remember the guy who was one of the Iranian leaders of the takeover of out embassy who is now their president? Remember only 10 gallons of gas every other day? Remember the 21% interest rate and 12% CD rate from the Carter mishandling of the economy? I remember our training was so severely cut, I bought my ammo to use to qualify and I was in the 82nd first response team, the sharp edge of the sword. I remember this history so very well because I voted for the FOOL. This is why I still wake up in the middle of the night and wonder when and where the next strike will come from on this country.
Sleep well, but remember those who watch over you 24/7 so that you can still rub the sleep from your eyes. Re-read your history and don't try to re-write what happened.
My name is Grady Wilson
CW5 USA, Ret.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Grady, Gary
It sounds like those were tough time to be in the military.
But honestly you both are talking about cutting government spending, is'nt that what Reagan promised but faild to deliver in a big way?
Guys,
I posted the above information because Bill Musarra posted that Reagan created 21 million jobs, most not in the government.
As you can see from the above data, that is not true. Bill how can you double the debt, and grow government as much as Reagan did and not creat lots of govenment jobs?
Mabye big raises?
It sounds like those were tough time to be in the military.
But honestly you both are talking about cutting government spending, is'nt that what Reagan promised but faild to deliver in a big way?
Guys,
I posted the above information because Bill Musarra posted that Reagan created 21 million jobs, most not in the government.
As you can see from the above data, that is not true. Bill how can you double the debt, and grow government as much as Reagan did and not creat lots of govenment jobs?
Mabye big raises?
Jim,
No matter what propaganda you are spreading, Reagan was one of the best presidents that this country ever had. That is my opinion and I don't need to justify that one to you or anyone else. I bet there are a few others who agree with me on this as well. No amount of BS that you post is going to change that opinion just like your feelings about Clinton and his administration. We all can justify our leanings. The economic data that you post is misleading because you are attempting to extract micro data from what should be a big picture view of the economy as a whole over a period of at least 25 years. Where one starts that examination is of course up for debate. The question I ask myself is was I better off when Reagan began his 2 terms or was I better off when he finished. Anyone who survived the Carter debacle can answer that one immediately. I have a liberal friend (very close friend by the way) who hates all Republicans as you do. But even he if he is honest, he saw his income rise substantially under Reagan's watch and his home value finally recovered its value as well. He saw interest rates get back to historical levels too after the first banking crisis righted itself.
On another note, there is a growing body of evidence that this recession has historical presecedent and that these types of market collapses are inherent in any free market model. There is no way to prevent market correction when banks are allowed leverage totals as great as they enjoyed in the last decade and regulators are as inept as they have been. The biggest mistake was Greenspan's decision to keep the borrowing rate as low as he did while he was trying to beat the mathematical logarithms that said he should reign in the money supply. He wanted to sustain the growth of the market since 2000 and did so but he made a bad gamble. We are all paying for it now.
Garry
No matter what propaganda you are spreading, Reagan was one of the best presidents that this country ever had. That is my opinion and I don't need to justify that one to you or anyone else. I bet there are a few others who agree with me on this as well. No amount of BS that you post is going to change that opinion just like your feelings about Clinton and his administration. We all can justify our leanings. The economic data that you post is misleading because you are attempting to extract micro data from what should be a big picture view of the economy as a whole over a period of at least 25 years. Where one starts that examination is of course up for debate. The question I ask myself is was I better off when Reagan began his 2 terms or was I better off when he finished. Anyone who survived the Carter debacle can answer that one immediately. I have a liberal friend (very close friend by the way) who hates all Republicans as you do. But even he if he is honest, he saw his income rise substantially under Reagan's watch and his home value finally recovered its value as well. He saw interest rates get back to historical levels too after the first banking crisis righted itself.
On another note, there is a growing body of evidence that this recession has historical presecedent and that these types of market collapses are inherent in any free market model. There is no way to prevent market correction when banks are allowed leverage totals as great as they enjoyed in the last decade and regulators are as inept as they have been. The biggest mistake was Greenspan's decision to keep the borrowing rate as low as he did while he was trying to beat the mathematical logarithms that said he should reign in the money supply. He wanted to sustain the growth of the market since 2000 and did so but he made a bad gamble. We are all paying for it now.
Garry
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Gary,
Ronald Reagan, grew government and the national debt more than any modern President except Bush2.
Ronald Reagan passed the last fedral illegal alian amnisty bill making illegal alians citizens.
Ronald Reagan passed the last major federal gun control law.
He illegally sold weapons including sholder launched missles to Iran.
He sent troups to Lebanon, a truck bomb blew up their barricks, killing hundreds, Reagan immidiatly pulled the troups out showing everyone that terrist bombings work.
I lived in California during his time as Governor, I know very well what a bad politicion he was.
Gary, "The best President this country ever had" did these things?
Ronald Reagan, grew government and the national debt more than any modern President except Bush2.
Ronald Reagan passed the last fedral illegal alian amnisty bill making illegal alians citizens.
Ronald Reagan passed the last major federal gun control law.
He illegally sold weapons including sholder launched missles to Iran.
He sent troups to Lebanon, a truck bomb blew up their barricks, killing hundreds, Reagan immidiatly pulled the troups out showing everyone that terrist bombings work.
I lived in California during his time as Governor, I know very well what a bad politicion he was.
Gary, "The best President this country ever had" did these things?
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Jim,
Like I said in my earlier post, you and your ilk will never like Reagan. I do. I like Thatcher as well. They made the country believe in themselves again and that alone jump started the American enthusiasm for looking at the future and growth and not lock in a protectionist past. Some like apples and some like oranges I always say. You can pick apart any president since George Washington if you are inclined and find fault with some of their actions. Your simplistic attacks will never convince me of your position and that is to ridicule all Republicans and support your leftist socialist views. Go for it man...this is America. Even socialist get their freedom to speak.
Garry
Like I said in my earlier post, you and your ilk will never like Reagan. I do. I like Thatcher as well. They made the country believe in themselves again and that alone jump started the American enthusiasm for looking at the future and growth and not lock in a protectionist past. Some like apples and some like oranges I always say. You can pick apart any president since George Washington if you are inclined and find fault with some of their actions. Your simplistic attacks will never convince me of your position and that is to ridicule all Republicans and support your leftist socialist views. Go for it man...this is America. Even socialist get their freedom to speak.
Garry
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Gary, just this one paragraph shows how little you know me and how little you understand this discussion.
I have posted this before but you probably did not notice, I voted for Reagan the first time, until I saw what he did to the economy.
I was a Republican until I saw what they did to Clinton, they took the country apart for short term political gain. They rammed through an impeachment and could not even get a majority of Republicans to vote for it.
Gary does a "simplistic attack" normally have five confirmed FACTS about things Reagan did that should revolt ANY conservative.
As for my socialist views, I live work and trade, in the very heart of American Capitalism and Ventue Capital. No one around here is a socalist, but most are liberal.
I attack, but never simplisticly, I attack missleading out of context posts, crimminally edited tapes, rediculus statements, like Reagan is the best Persident ever, All Muslums want to kill us, Obama is an Illegal alein, a Comunist, a Fashist, a Muslum.
But I never do it simplisticly, I do it with Facts!
And nine out of ten times when I present FACTS and ask the good folks here to support their acusations or support there posts they either do not answer or just attack me.
Ok big guy, show us were I have lied, made up anything or missrepresented anything. I may have done this but to the best of my ability, all my challenges are done with facts.
You say Reagan was great I show facts.
People say That Tea Party does not have racist leanings, I show facts.
People say Reagan created 22 million jobs, I show facts.
People say only 9% of Obamas cabinet has any Free market experiance, I show facts.
People say that the President said "this is no longer a Christian Nation, it is now a Muslum nation", I show facts.
These are just from the last few weeks. Do you really want America thinking that these things are true?
And Gary you attack me????????????? I point out inconcistancies, call people on lies and rediculus statments and you call me a Socialist. Like I said when people can't back up what they say, or do not have facts they just call me names. You fit right in!
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT GARY, IF YOU WANT TO ATTACK SOMEONE FOR "SIMPLISTIC ATTACKS" TRY THE FOLKS WITHOUT FACTS. Or just look in the mirror.
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