Frank, the original Ford GT testing may well have been at Goodwood. I do believe that Holman & Moody as well as Shelby contributed greatly to making the originals into race winners. Shelby used Willow Springs and I am sure someone could tell us what track was Holman & Moody"s favorite. There are many venues with established history with racing 40's. I doubt there would be any shortage of appropriate places to do comparative testing. Also I keep hearing rumors that GTD may be seeing some significant changes as to the organization and its future. Can any of the UK family shed any light on what is happening?
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I think we can all agree the proper place to test them would be where mine went 223 in 1967.
I'd love to see competitive tests, especially at Goodwood, but as Ron says how can you agree criteria for a truely comparative test? Are there any really 'standard' manufacturer's 40s out there? I think in the end if performance were the yardstick then it would be like F1, the more bucks invested would win!
Perhaps the simple answer, in the UK at least, is for non-GTDs (Dave Parkers R42 accepted) to enter the club hill climb events. I understand that non-GTDs may now be allowed in the club (though this is not official and I am not certain about this) so there seems to be no barrier. Oh, and better have a dressage section too, or a compulsory manouevres like skating (e.g. three point turns
).
Bring on the gladiators!
Dave Champ
Perhaps the simple answer, in the UK at least, is for non-GTDs (Dave Parkers R42 accepted) to enter the club hill climb events. I understand that non-GTDs may now be allowed in the club (though this is not official and I am not certain about this) so there seems to be no barrier. Oh, and better have a dressage section too, or a compulsory manouevres like skating (e.g. three point turns
Bring on the gladiators!
Dave Champ
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DC:
or a compulsory manouevres like skating (e.g. three point turns
).
Bring on the gladiators!
Dave Champ<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hi all,
this reminds me of our first trip to the Isle of Man as when we arrived, the Island was under 4 inches of snow - In fact - for my first run up 'Sloc' - I sat on the start line in Roy Smarts GTD Mk1 with the wipers going - a misted front screen and snow coming in through the side vents thinking 'I must be mad!'
Anyway - I digress - at Sloc, the turnound at the top was 'tightish' and really required a 3 point turn but as Roy's car had a hydraulic handbrake I chose to give a pull on the rear brakes and a dab on the throttle for a balletic turn each time (remember there were snow drifts either side of the road which was itself slippery / wet).
Then, Ray Christopher in his mighty R42 saw this and thought he'd have a go - the result was that he buried his front end into one of the snow banks much to the amusement of marshalls in the vicinity who promptly fell about laughing! - Even Ray had to giggle - only afterwards did he discover the hydraulic handbrake on Roy's car, his car either not having an effective rear handbrake or not having one at all! (not sure which).
Anyway - was very funny at the time!!
For some reason I was nicknamed 'hooligan' thereafter.
Happy days.........
[ November 16, 2002: Message edited by: Paul Thompson ]
or a compulsory manouevres like skating (e.g. three point turns
Bring on the gladiators!
Dave Champ<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hi all,
this reminds me of our first trip to the Isle of Man as when we arrived, the Island was under 4 inches of snow - In fact - for my first run up 'Sloc' - I sat on the start line in Roy Smarts GTD Mk1 with the wipers going - a misted front screen and snow coming in through the side vents thinking 'I must be mad!'
Anyway - I digress - at Sloc, the turnound at the top was 'tightish' and really required a 3 point turn but as Roy's car had a hydraulic handbrake I chose to give a pull on the rear brakes and a dab on the throttle for a balletic turn each time (remember there were snow drifts either side of the road which was itself slippery / wet).
Then, Ray Christopher in his mighty R42 saw this and thought he'd have a go - the result was that he buried his front end into one of the snow banks much to the amusement of marshalls in the vicinity who promptly fell about laughing! - Even Ray had to giggle - only afterwards did he discover the hydraulic handbrake on Roy's car, his car either not having an effective rear handbrake or not having one at all! (not sure which).
Anyway - was very funny at the time!!
For some reason I was nicknamed 'hooligan' thereafter.
Happy days.........
[ November 16, 2002: Message edited by: Paul Thompson ]
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To clarify and to confirm what you thought as correct, you do not have to be an owner of a GTD40 replica to join the GTD 40s Car Club. We have members with no gt40 replica at all who play active roles within the club.
All are welcome. I think this has always been the case.
As to competition, any member is allowed to enter the events organised by the club in any car they choose to enter. The organisers invitation is to the club and not the cars. Only very occaisionally has a club said only GT40 replicas please. Don't go there any more! I hear rumours of non GTD cars being prepped for competition and would extend a welcome to them when they are ready.
As to a shoot out, it would be nice to be at Goodwood, not because that was where the originals ran, but because it is where we now run on a regular basis. I would like to know how my car stacks up against the "opposition". However I have always kept an ear to the ground to try and find out what the original cars did there back in the 60's but with no success. I know there are times from the more recent Revival meetings but what were the times from original testings? Anyone?
The GTD has been tested agianst original cars on more than one occaision. Firstly I think it was Car and Car Conversions who did a 4 car test with 2 real and 2 GTD. The GTD's used were Alan Barlows and Tony Gordines (Mk2) cars. Both now in new ownership. From the top of my head I can't remember which the original cars were. I think one was a silver Mk3 and the other the Linden Green Andretti, Ford owned car. Perhaps others can confirm. The reports were favourable to the GTD as to being a very competent replica.
The next comparision was made by Top Gear Gti (the satelite version sold around the world of BBC's famous Top Gear). Brian Wingfield supplied one of the three 1990's "new" GT40s made from all original components (1088?) in the new gulf colours.
I have a side profile photo of my car alongside this car which shows some interesting features!
Tony Coooper and his friend Toby provided GTDs as did Roy Smart and myself. The Beeb were very pleased with the comparison test and the GTD came out highly commended. As the lowest powered car there, mine was chosen for the soft version of the GTD! Maybe I was more prepared to allows lots of camera mounts onto the car! Anyway the Beeb presenter thoroughly enjoyed himself and made claims about my cars capability that even I wouldn't do. Good for the ego though.
Now with all the car magazine programs having changed channels and formats etc during the last year or so, how about the replica manufacturers and original owners plus fords new "40" getting a TV company to do a back to back test and broadcasting the results. Less chance of anyone being accused of having others in their back pocket and distorting the results !
Malcolm
To clarify and to confirm what you thought as correct, you do not have to be an owner of a GTD40 replica to join the GTD 40s Car Club. We have members with no gt40 replica at all who play active roles within the club.
All are welcome. I think this has always been the case.
As to competition, any member is allowed to enter the events organised by the club in any car they choose to enter. The organisers invitation is to the club and not the cars. Only very occaisionally has a club said only GT40 replicas please. Don't go there any more! I hear rumours of non GTD cars being prepped for competition and would extend a welcome to them when they are ready.
As to a shoot out, it would be nice to be at Goodwood, not because that was where the originals ran, but because it is where we now run on a regular basis. I would like to know how my car stacks up against the "opposition". However I have always kept an ear to the ground to try and find out what the original cars did there back in the 60's but with no success. I know there are times from the more recent Revival meetings but what were the times from original testings? Anyone?
The GTD has been tested agianst original cars on more than one occaision. Firstly I think it was Car and Car Conversions who did a 4 car test with 2 real and 2 GTD. The GTD's used were Alan Barlows and Tony Gordines (Mk2) cars. Both now in new ownership. From the top of my head I can't remember which the original cars were. I think one was a silver Mk3 and the other the Linden Green Andretti, Ford owned car. Perhaps others can confirm. The reports were favourable to the GTD as to being a very competent replica.
The next comparision was made by Top Gear Gti (the satelite version sold around the world of BBC's famous Top Gear). Brian Wingfield supplied one of the three 1990's "new" GT40s made from all original components (1088?) in the new gulf colours.
I have a side profile photo of my car alongside this car which shows some interesting features!
Tony Coooper and his friend Toby provided GTDs as did Roy Smart and myself. The Beeb were very pleased with the comparison test and the GTD came out highly commended. As the lowest powered car there, mine was chosen for the soft version of the GTD! Maybe I was more prepared to allows lots of camera mounts onto the car! Anyway the Beeb presenter thoroughly enjoyed himself and made claims about my cars capability that even I wouldn't do. Good for the ego though.
Now with all the car magazine programs having changed channels and formats etc during the last year or so, how about the replica manufacturers and original owners plus fords new "40" getting a TV company to do a back to back test and broadcasting the results. Less chance of anyone being accused of having others in their back pocket and distorting the results !
Malcolm
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Hello GTA and all of you,
I take the point that this is not about "mine being better than yours".
This is not my intention at all.
A comparative test will provide really useful data for prospective buyers, existing owners and manufacturers alike. I often see requests on this Forum from new members to let them know what is available and what the relative merits of the different replicas are. There certainly are significant differences, so I'll take just one I know of to illustrate my point.
The GTD has a different front suspension arrangement to the Tornado,which results in the GTD having a much narrower footwell than either the Tornado or the original GT 40. The pedals on the GTD are significantly offset towards the centreline of the car and the passenger foot space is very restricted.
Does this matter in practice? Is the new MDA going to be better or worst in this respect than the GTD? Does the Tornado offer the best driving position?
It's not all about BHP and issues like this are vitally important to some of our American friends,who are generally a bit bigger than those of us here on this little island where we get no sun or corn fed beef.
I propose the following:
Five cars, five drivers.
Two days of testing.
Day one: 150 mile road trip, changing drivers every 30 miles.
Day two: performance testing for 0-60, 0-100, lateral g etc.etc. using our GPS data loggers, plus lap times of the chosen venue. Goodwood is historically correct, Le Mans would be even better (sadly unavailable as it involves dealing with the French Authorities, who may be reluctant to close the roads just for us) but may end up being Jonathan Palmer's Bedford Autodrome. This has a long enough straight and huge run off areas, so there is nothing to hit.
The resulting article will be written by all five drivers and include their personal assessments of each car, plus photographs, technical data and performance data.
So,how do we keep it unbiased? Well, Mark and Andy will be two of the drivers, of course.
We will publish the results in the GTD 40 Car Club magazine and on our website so that it is freely available to all in the GT 40 community. Taking Malcolm's point, we will then use this article to try to persuade one of the TV companies to re-run the test for later broadcast.
I am not throwing down a gauntlet here. I am proposing something that will benefit everyone with an interest in GT 40 replicas of all types.
Perhaps the manufacturers could respond with their comments on this proposal. I'd also like to hear from everyone else to get their views.
Andrew
I take the point that this is not about "mine being better than yours".
This is not my intention at all.
A comparative test will provide really useful data for prospective buyers, existing owners and manufacturers alike. I often see requests on this Forum from new members to let them know what is available and what the relative merits of the different replicas are. There certainly are significant differences, so I'll take just one I know of to illustrate my point.
The GTD has a different front suspension arrangement to the Tornado,which results in the GTD having a much narrower footwell than either the Tornado or the original GT 40. The pedals on the GTD are significantly offset towards the centreline of the car and the passenger foot space is very restricted.
Does this matter in practice? Is the new MDA going to be better or worst in this respect than the GTD? Does the Tornado offer the best driving position?
It's not all about BHP and issues like this are vitally important to some of our American friends,who are generally a bit bigger than those of us here on this little island where we get no sun or corn fed beef.
I propose the following:
Five cars, five drivers.
Two days of testing.
Day one: 150 mile road trip, changing drivers every 30 miles.
Day two: performance testing for 0-60, 0-100, lateral g etc.etc. using our GPS data loggers, plus lap times of the chosen venue. Goodwood is historically correct, Le Mans would be even better (sadly unavailable as it involves dealing with the French Authorities, who may be reluctant to close the roads just for us) but may end up being Jonathan Palmer's Bedford Autodrome. This has a long enough straight and huge run off areas, so there is nothing to hit.
The resulting article will be written by all five drivers and include their personal assessments of each car, plus photographs, technical data and performance data.
So,how do we keep it unbiased? Well, Mark and Andy will be two of the drivers, of course.
We will publish the results in the GTD 40 Car Club magazine and on our website so that it is freely available to all in the GT 40 community. Taking Malcolm's point, we will then use this article to try to persuade one of the TV companies to re-run the test for later broadcast.
I am not throwing down a gauntlet here. I am proposing something that will benefit everyone with an interest in GT 40 replicas of all types.
Perhaps the manufacturers could respond with their comments on this proposal. I'd also like to hear from everyone else to get their views.
Andrew
From Malcolms post....
The GTD has been tested agianst original cars on more than one occaision. Firstly I think it was Car and Car Conversions who did a 4 car test with 2 real and 2 GTD. The GTD's used were Alan Barlows and Tony Gordines (Mk2) cars. Both now in new ownership. From the top of my head I can't remember which the original cars were. I think one was a silver Mk3 and the other the Linden Green Andretti, Ford owned car. Perhaps others can confirm. The reports were favourable to the GTD as to being a very competent replica.
I now own Tony Gordines car and along with all of the paperwork I also received the C and C.C. magazine. I haven't read it for a while but it did shine favourably on the "replicars". I can easily dig out the article and scan it. However, I have no idea how to post the images on this forum.
Would anybody be interested in seeing this article? If so - can somebody advise how I can get scanned images onto the forum?
The GTD has been tested agianst original cars on more than one occaision. Firstly I think it was Car and Car Conversions who did a 4 car test with 2 real and 2 GTD. The GTD's used were Alan Barlows and Tony Gordines (Mk2) cars. Both now in new ownership. From the top of my head I can't remember which the original cars were. I think one was a silver Mk3 and the other the Linden Green Andretti, Ford owned car. Perhaps others can confirm. The reports were favourable to the GTD as to being a very competent replica.
I now own Tony Gordines car and along with all of the paperwork I also received the C and C.C. magazine. I haven't read it for a while but it did shine favourably on the "replicars". I can easily dig out the article and scan it. However, I have no idea how to post the images on this forum.
Would anybody be interested in seeing this article? If so - can somebody advise how I can get scanned images onto the forum?
JP
I think we have (at least) two different threads here...
* Head to head track comparison focusing
on UK style competition
* Kit vs Kit comparison as to differences
in content/cost/authenticity/ergonomics
focusing mostly on street use (USA)
These two comparisons are very different.
I could care less about the ability of my GT40 to go up a hill quicker
than the next guy. Things like ride stiffness, foot and head room, seat comfort,
ease of assembly, availability of repair
parts, all are more important to me due to the car's intended usage.
MikeD
[ November 18, 2002: Message edited by: MikeDD ]
I think we have (at least) two different threads here...
* Head to head track comparison focusing
on UK style competition
* Kit vs Kit comparison as to differences
in content/cost/authenticity/ergonomics
focusing mostly on street use (USA)
These two comparisons are very different.
I could care less about the ability of my GT40 to go up a hill quicker
than the next guy. Things like ride stiffness, foot and head room, seat comfort,
ease of assembly, availability of repair
parts, all are more important to me due to the car's intended usage.
MikeD
[ November 18, 2002: Message edited by: MikeDD ]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Andrew Fordyce:
Hello GTA and all of you,
I take the point that this is not about "mine being better than yours".
This is not my intention at all.
A comparative test will provide really useful data for prospective buyers, existing owners and manufacturers alike. I often see requests on this Forum from new members to let them know what is available and what the relative merits of the different replicas are. There certainly are significant differences, so I'll take just one I know of to illustrate my point.
The GTD has a different front suspension arrangement to the Tornado,which results in the GTD having a much narrower footwell than either the Tornado or the original GT 40. The pedals on the GTD are significantly offset towards the centreline of the car and the passenger foot space is very restricted.
Does this matter in practice? Is the new MDA going to be better or worst in this respect than the GTD? Does the Tornado offer the best driving position?
It's not all about BHP and issues like this are vitally important to some of our American friends,who are generally a bit bigger than those of us here on this little island where we get no sun or corn fed beef.
I propose the following:
Five cars, five drivers.
Two days of testing.
Day one: 150 mile road trip, changing drivers every 30 miles.
Day two: performance testing for 0-60, 0-100, lateral g etc.etc. using our GPS data loggers, plus lap times of the chosen venue. Goodwood is historically correct, Le Mans would be even better (sadly unavailable as it involves dealing with the French Authorities, who may be reluctant to close the roads just for us) but may end up being Jonathan Palmer's Bedford Autodrome. This has a long enough straight and huge run off areas, so there is nothing to hit.
The resulting article will be written by all five drivers and include their personal assessments of each car, plus photographs, technical data and performance data.
So,how do we keep it unbiased? Well, Mark and Andy will be two of the drivers, of course.
We will publish the results in the GTD 40 Car Club magazine and on our website so that it is freely available to all in the GT 40 community. Taking Malcolm's point, we will then use this article to try to persuade one of the TV companies to re-run the test for later broadcast.
I am not throwing down a gauntlet here. I am proposing something that will benefit everyone with an interest in GT 40 replicas of all types.
Perhaps the manufacturers could respond with their comments on this proposal. I'd also like to hear from everyone else to get their views.
Andrew<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why the need for such test? You already have pretty good testing ground. The GTD club events surely give an accurate indication to the better car. I got most of the spec for my car from watching the events, asking questions. I then made up my mind;
Andrew & Robin - nice wheels/strong engine/superb brakes/lower centre of gravity.
Roy & Paul - Very powerful engine/light weight chasis.
etc. etc.
I found it very interesting, and I very much look forward to actually being able to drive this dream spec. car.
IT IS A MDA!!
The Spec:
MDA Chasis
Ali panelled tub
Carbon/Kevlar Bodywork
Lowered engine mounts
331 Stroker/Ford Motorsport block/forged crank/H-Beam rods/Custom light weight pistons/Custom Cams/Fully Ported Heads/8 Barrel injection/Motec M48
Fully modified 21 box - 6 speed(straight cut gears)/Quaife Diff.
AP Racing Braking system
PS Engineering Replica Wheels
Can't wait. Mark Sibley is doing a fine job. The proof is always in the eating, so I'll do my best to make you eat my dust next year at the club events! (Just got to learn to drive first!
)
Regards,
J.P
Hello GTA and all of you,
I take the point that this is not about "mine being better than yours".
This is not my intention at all.
A comparative test will provide really useful data for prospective buyers, existing owners and manufacturers alike. I often see requests on this Forum from new members to let them know what is available and what the relative merits of the different replicas are. There certainly are significant differences, so I'll take just one I know of to illustrate my point.
The GTD has a different front suspension arrangement to the Tornado,which results in the GTD having a much narrower footwell than either the Tornado or the original GT 40. The pedals on the GTD are significantly offset towards the centreline of the car and the passenger foot space is very restricted.
Does this matter in practice? Is the new MDA going to be better or worst in this respect than the GTD? Does the Tornado offer the best driving position?
It's not all about BHP and issues like this are vitally important to some of our American friends,who are generally a bit bigger than those of us here on this little island where we get no sun or corn fed beef.
I propose the following:
Five cars, five drivers.
Two days of testing.
Day one: 150 mile road trip, changing drivers every 30 miles.
Day two: performance testing for 0-60, 0-100, lateral g etc.etc. using our GPS data loggers, plus lap times of the chosen venue. Goodwood is historically correct, Le Mans would be even better (sadly unavailable as it involves dealing with the French Authorities, who may be reluctant to close the roads just for us) but may end up being Jonathan Palmer's Bedford Autodrome. This has a long enough straight and huge run off areas, so there is nothing to hit.
The resulting article will be written by all five drivers and include their personal assessments of each car, plus photographs, technical data and performance data.
So,how do we keep it unbiased? Well, Mark and Andy will be two of the drivers, of course.
We will publish the results in the GTD 40 Car Club magazine and on our website so that it is freely available to all in the GT 40 community. Taking Malcolm's point, we will then use this article to try to persuade one of the TV companies to re-run the test for later broadcast.
I am not throwing down a gauntlet here. I am proposing something that will benefit everyone with an interest in GT 40 replicas of all types.
Perhaps the manufacturers could respond with their comments on this proposal. I'd also like to hear from everyone else to get their views.
Andrew<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why the need for such test? You already have pretty good testing ground. The GTD club events surely give an accurate indication to the better car. I got most of the spec for my car from watching the events, asking questions. I then made up my mind;
Andrew & Robin - nice wheels/strong engine/superb brakes/lower centre of gravity.
Roy & Paul - Very powerful engine/light weight chasis.
etc. etc.
I found it very interesting, and I very much look forward to actually being able to drive this dream spec. car.
IT IS A MDA!!
The Spec:
MDA Chasis
Ali panelled tub
Carbon/Kevlar Bodywork
Lowered engine mounts
331 Stroker/Ford Motorsport block/forged crank/H-Beam rods/Custom light weight pistons/Custom Cams/Fully Ported Heads/8 Barrel injection/Motec M48
Fully modified 21 box - 6 speed(straight cut gears)/Quaife Diff.
AP Racing Braking system
PS Engineering Replica Wheels
Can't wait. Mark Sibley is doing a fine job. The proof is always in the eating, so I'll do my best to make you eat my dust next year at the club events! (Just got to learn to drive first!
Regards,
J.P
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MikeDD:
JP
I think we have (at least) two different threads here...
* Head to head track comparison focusing
on UK style competition
* Kit vs Kit comparison as to differences
in content/cost/authenticity/ergonomics
focusing mostly on street use (USA)
These two comparisons are very different.
I could care less about the ability of my GT40 to go up a hill quicker
than the next guy. Things like ride stiffness, foot and head room, seat comfort,
ease of assembly, availability of repair
parts, all are more important to me due to the car's intended usage.
MikeD
[ November 18, 2002: Message edited by: MikeDD ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mike,
It's like you say. Two different points of view. I'm not bothered if the car has a hard ride, doesn't have airconditioning, doesn't drive like a limo around town. I want my car to drive like an original race prepped GT40. I personally feel this is what a GT40 is all about. Fast, noisy, un-compromising, original looking, great handling - and ultimately feel what it is like to race the car on a track against other 40's.
Thats my point of view, and I know others see differently. True, in the U.K we like to race our cars - but that's what they're built for in the first place!
I will admit though that the MDA has plently of leg room for me(6ft tall).
Regards,
J.P
JP
I think we have (at least) two different threads here...
* Head to head track comparison focusing
on UK style competition
* Kit vs Kit comparison as to differences
in content/cost/authenticity/ergonomics
focusing mostly on street use (USA)
These two comparisons are very different.
I could care less about the ability of my GT40 to go up a hill quicker
than the next guy. Things like ride stiffness, foot and head room, seat comfort,
ease of assembly, availability of repair
parts, all are more important to me due to the car's intended usage.
MikeD
[ November 18, 2002: Message edited by: MikeDD ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mike,
It's like you say. Two different points of view. I'm not bothered if the car has a hard ride, doesn't have airconditioning, doesn't drive like a limo around town. I want my car to drive like an original race prepped GT40. I personally feel this is what a GT40 is all about. Fast, noisy, un-compromising, original looking, great handling - and ultimately feel what it is like to race the car on a track against other 40's.
Thats my point of view, and I know others see differently. True, in the U.K we like to race our cars - but that's what they're built for in the first place!
I will admit though that the MDA has plently of leg room for me(6ft tall).
Regards,
J.P
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Simon
Thanks for saying you now own Tony's car. I have a picture of it on the wall in my garage! I hope you enjoy the car as much as he did.
The Alan Barlow car is now owned by Andrew Fordyce who has had it pretty much 100% rebuilt by Frank to get it how he wanted it.
Malcolm
Thanks for saying you now own Tony's car. I have a picture of it on the wall in my garage! I hope you enjoy the car as much as he did.
The Alan Barlow car is now owned by Andrew Fordyce who has had it pretty much 100% rebuilt by Frank to get it how he wanted it.
Malcolm
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Malcolm M:
Simon
Thanks for saying you now own Tony's car. I have a picture of it on the wall in my garage! I hope you enjoy the car as much as he did.
The Alan Barlow car is now owned by Andrew Fordyce who has had it pretty much 100% rebuilt by Frank to get it how he wanted it.
Malcolm<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hi Malcolm
I surely do enjoy the car! Although its old technology in comparison to many "track" developed cars. I will no doubt have use for your services when I can afford to start the up-grade process!! Good luck with your venture.
Simon
Thanks for saying you now own Tony's car. I have a picture of it on the wall in my garage! I hope you enjoy the car as much as he did.
The Alan Barlow car is now owned by Andrew Fordyce who has had it pretty much 100% rebuilt by Frank to get it how he wanted it.
Malcolm<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hi Malcolm
I surely do enjoy the car! Although its old technology in comparison to many "track" developed cars. I will no doubt have use for your services when I can afford to start the up-grade process!! Good luck with your venture.
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Simon
Brains there for the picking!
Malcolm
Brains there for the picking!
Malcolm
Hi all. Ive been busy this week at the Great Western Kit car show at Westpoint. It was a good show and there were a lot of new faces, some old ones. I was exhibiting the Bond car and it drew a big crowd. After losing my voice after the constant what are all the holes for questions etc etc. There were some real good reasons offered! Brake cooling! extra down force!! and my favourite the car ran too hot this lets more radiator air out!
Dont go there!
Any way Malcolm King from the USA introduced himself to me. And we had a chat (nice guy) and then he went off to view the show and then to Ireland I think. Many new interests in our cars and in GT40 in general. Even the very young generations seem to be informed about then now.
Many newspapers, Mags and TV coverage for this event and the Bond car did not disappoint. When the articles come out, i will try to get them up on the site, just for interest.
As for the GT40 car shoot out! well next year will see the first real all MDA GT40 competing with the other GT guys. All can look at the product then and decide wether its good bad or both. there really is no point in trying offer a standard car nowadays. Everyone is differecnt as itoned by Graham Turner (a man who races regulary and very well) Malcolm Macadam does very well given his budget for racing. Other guys have spent oodles of dosh on thier cars. it would be really unfair to supply a £40k car with mild track mods to some of the other guys £70k plus cars. And given that some of the cars have had five or more years to get there cars to the stage where they are happy to bonk them round the track safely.
This whole thing is about developing the product to be the best as the individual sees fit. Everyone will say thier car is better than everyone elses. The only true test would be to build five identical cars same engines etc and its then the driver who is the tested! That would be very interesting do you not agree?
This is not about who's car is best, but the continuing sucess of Gt40 replica's. We all want them to develop, be able to buy bits for them and have bags of fun until you can do no more. Surely thats more important.
We came on the scene with our body chassis kits to offer a kind of longivity to the GT40 replica market in this country. We have been supplying spares for now 16 years. I worked with Cobras for two year before that. Customer confidence had been shot here in the UK. We are just here to help and advise.
Come the late spring, I will have a high spec race car here for scrutiny. it will compete next year and good luck to the new owner. We will offer road through to spec built cars. There will be no standard built car, they are all different. One thing is for sure, they wont leave here until they are tested and approved.Thats our commitment.
Guys, lets not go back to the days of the divsion of the clubs and the back biting. There is room for all, just let it be so.
For the guys that have not had replies from me as listed above. I have had e mail bounced back please be sure you are mailing
[email protected] or [email protected] not the older addresses. site at www.gt40uk.com
Chris (edwards) your mail came back, have you a mail blocker on?
best regards to all
mark
Dont go there!
Any way Malcolm King from the USA introduced himself to me. And we had a chat (nice guy) and then he went off to view the show and then to Ireland I think. Many new interests in our cars and in GT40 in general. Even the very young generations seem to be informed about then now.
Many newspapers, Mags and TV coverage for this event and the Bond car did not disappoint. When the articles come out, i will try to get them up on the site, just for interest.
As for the GT40 car shoot out! well next year will see the first real all MDA GT40 competing with the other GT guys. All can look at the product then and decide wether its good bad or both. there really is no point in trying offer a standard car nowadays. Everyone is differecnt as itoned by Graham Turner (a man who races regulary and very well) Malcolm Macadam does very well given his budget for racing. Other guys have spent oodles of dosh on thier cars. it would be really unfair to supply a £40k car with mild track mods to some of the other guys £70k plus cars. And given that some of the cars have had five or more years to get there cars to the stage where they are happy to bonk them round the track safely.
This whole thing is about developing the product to be the best as the individual sees fit. Everyone will say thier car is better than everyone elses. The only true test would be to build five identical cars same engines etc and its then the driver who is the tested! That would be very interesting do you not agree?
This is not about who's car is best, but the continuing sucess of Gt40 replica's. We all want them to develop, be able to buy bits for them and have bags of fun until you can do no more. Surely thats more important.
We came on the scene with our body chassis kits to offer a kind of longivity to the GT40 replica market in this country. We have been supplying spares for now 16 years. I worked with Cobras for two year before that. Customer confidence had been shot here in the UK. We are just here to help and advise.
Come the late spring, I will have a high spec race car here for scrutiny. it will compete next year and good luck to the new owner. We will offer road through to spec built cars. There will be no standard built car, they are all different. One thing is for sure, they wont leave here until they are tested and approved.Thats our commitment.
Guys, lets not go back to the days of the divsion of the clubs and the back biting. There is room for all, just let it be so.
For the guys that have not had replies from me as listed above. I have had e mail bounced back please be sure you are mailing
[email protected] or [email protected] not the older addresses. site at www.gt40uk.com
Chris (edwards) your mail came back, have you a mail blocker on?
best regards to all
mark
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Hi Mark
You have JP soooo excited about his forthcoming car it's unreal! He also thinks he can beat Schumacher in it let alone the GTD boys! Yeah, right! It should be fun having a new brand on the scene, keep up the good work.
Whilst there are a number of chaps out there who have spent mega bucks (some way more than even £70K) I would suggest that this is because of the lack of forum's like this when some of the cars first appeared. If I knew then what I know now, I would expect to be able to build a top spec car at much less cost than £70K. I am not alone here.
Thing is, I bought completely standard parts and then upgraded them and then upgraded again as each time new and better ideas where thought of. The guy's building now have such an advantage over us long term owners.
Once I did consider building another car and budgeted on about £40K to make a mutts nuts car. Now I have decided that when my car becomes 15 years old (not far off now) I hope to do a bare chassis restoration and incorporate some of my latest thoughts plus the best of other peoples thoughts gathered along the way.
You have had the great opportunity of seeing what everyone has done with their cars for the last 16 years or so as you say. Therefore you should have incorporated lots of upgrades as standard into your car, excluding the really outrageous upgrades. This should make your product very good.
JP wants to prove this for you! You ought to sponsor him some race driving lessons to help your marketing campaign!
Malcolm
You have JP soooo excited about his forthcoming car it's unreal! He also thinks he can beat Schumacher in it let alone the GTD boys! Yeah, right! It should be fun having a new brand on the scene, keep up the good work.
Whilst there are a number of chaps out there who have spent mega bucks (some way more than even £70K) I would suggest that this is because of the lack of forum's like this when some of the cars first appeared. If I knew then what I know now, I would expect to be able to build a top spec car at much less cost than £70K. I am not alone here.
Thing is, I bought completely standard parts and then upgraded them and then upgraded again as each time new and better ideas where thought of. The guy's building now have such an advantage over us long term owners.
Once I did consider building another car and budgeted on about £40K to make a mutts nuts car. Now I have decided that when my car becomes 15 years old (not far off now) I hope to do a bare chassis restoration and incorporate some of my latest thoughts plus the best of other peoples thoughts gathered along the way.
You have had the great opportunity of seeing what everyone has done with their cars for the last 16 years or so as you say. Therefore you should have incorporated lots of upgrades as standard into your car, excluding the really outrageous upgrades. This should make your product very good.
JP wants to prove this for you! You ought to sponsor him some race driving lessons to help your marketing campaign!
Malcolm
Malcolm,
I was working on my racing skills only last night in a GT Championship. I only managed to come second! The competition was really tough, I even had an off but very quickly managed to work my way back through the field. Not used to driving a Dodge Viper, but soon got the hang of it! You should give it a bash! Just go to your local computer games dept. and buy a Playstation 2 and a copy of Grand Turismo!!
On a serious note I do look forward to next years events. I certainly don't expect miracles, so don't worry about me getting an super fast times (yet!).
Regards,
J.P
I was working on my racing skills only last night in a GT Championship. I only managed to come second! The competition was really tough, I even had an off but very quickly managed to work my way back through the field. Not used to driving a Dodge Viper, but soon got the hang of it! You should give it a bash! Just go to your local computer games dept. and buy a Playstation 2 and a copy of Grand Turismo!!
On a serious note I do look forward to next years events. I certainly don't expect miracles, so don't worry about me getting an super fast times (yet!).
Regards,
J.P
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Would you beleive that I can't play computer games of any sort (excluding Solitaire) as they make me dizzy and sick! How damn pathetic but true!
Malcolm
Malcolm
Paul Thompson 'Hooligan'
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Hi all,
It's great to see another is taking to the circuits / hills next year. Rest assured that all those currently competing will be wishing you well as 40's are an awesome sight in action. You will also get all the unbiased, helpful support/encouragement you may ask for.
Whilst the club see's only GTD's competing at present, including Dave's R42, we welcome ALL mfr's of 40 to the club and the more that choose to 'come play on the hills', the better! diversity and new blood improves the breed in my opinion.
Can't wait to see the MDA and I'm sure you will be extremely happy with the finished result.
It's great to see another is taking to the circuits / hills next year. Rest assured that all those currently competing will be wishing you well as 40's are an awesome sight in action. You will also get all the unbiased, helpful support/encouragement you may ask for.
Whilst the club see's only GTD's competing at present, including Dave's R42, we welcome ALL mfr's of 40 to the club and the more that choose to 'come play on the hills', the better! diversity and new blood improves the breed in my opinion.
Can't wait to see the MDA and I'm sure you will be extremely happy with the finished result.
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Hello Mark, JP et al,
No back biting will happen, we are pleased to see MDA and Tornado in the market, believe me.
Why do people read road tests of Ferrari v Lamborghini v Aston Martin etc? They want to experience driving them secondhand and dream of owning one themselves. These cars are no better technically matched or equal in cost than a bunch of GT 40 replicas, it's still perfectly possible to write a balanced appraisal. Do you really think a £300,000 mid-engined Pagani Zonda is comparable with a £165,000 front enginrd Aston Martin Vanquish? Neither do I, but it hasn't stopped all the major international magazines running these two together in recent tests.
They are not washing machines and we are not motoring "Which?". We hope to convey some of the passion of these fantastic cars to owners, prospective purchasers and dreamers everywhere. Mark and Andy, we want to promote your cars, not damn them. I won't be surprised to see some specifications suited to road use and some to track (perhaps based on the same kit). Don't you think it will help your customers to see these specs to help them decide which direction to go in?
I can't wait to see the new MDA in competition next year, the more the merrier I say. Malcolm heads up our Kicking Butt Division, so give him a call for advice and we'll see your dust next season.
No back-biting, so let's get a Tornado and an MDA and have some fun,
Andrew
No back biting will happen, we are pleased to see MDA and Tornado in the market, believe me.
Why do people read road tests of Ferrari v Lamborghini v Aston Martin etc? They want to experience driving them secondhand and dream of owning one themselves. These cars are no better technically matched or equal in cost than a bunch of GT 40 replicas, it's still perfectly possible to write a balanced appraisal. Do you really think a £300,000 mid-engined Pagani Zonda is comparable with a £165,000 front enginrd Aston Martin Vanquish? Neither do I, but it hasn't stopped all the major international magazines running these two together in recent tests.
They are not washing machines and we are not motoring "Which?". We hope to convey some of the passion of these fantastic cars to owners, prospective purchasers and dreamers everywhere. Mark and Andy, we want to promote your cars, not damn them. I won't be surprised to see some specifications suited to road use and some to track (perhaps based on the same kit). Don't you think it will help your customers to see these specs to help them decide which direction to go in?
I can't wait to see the new MDA in competition next year, the more the merrier I say. Malcolm heads up our Kicking Butt Division, so give him a call for advice and we'll see your dust next season.
No back-biting, so let's get a Tornado and an MDA and have some fun,
Andrew