ZF 5DS‑25/2 correct shift pattern
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Is your cable hooked up to the top or bottom of the selector shaft? Do you have any photos you can share? Thanks
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if you guys shift up towards the dashboard and to the left for reverse, then there is something not right with the orientation of my gearbox. My linkage is set up the same way, but shifting in the opposite direction.
Thanks, the photos you sent confirm what I thought all along. I don't know enough about these gearboxes, so I have to figure out what the next step is to correct it. Does it need to go to a specialized ZF rebuilder? Besides the shift pattern being opposite, it never felt right to me to shift gears.
Lee Patterson
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Contact Ron McCall to discuss. He is in Maryland. I would go nowhere but to Ron.
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Rod Dittmar
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Hi Vinny,
Let me try to add a little clarity to this. My car is a LHD RCR40 with a ZF 5DS-25/2 Transaxle. I originally built it using The RCR shifter. It's the same as the one you have. Reverse gear was obtained by 'pushing down on the lever, moving it to the left and then back toward the rear'. I believe this is what you are describing yours as doing and that is correct with the RCR shifter & cable system. After driving the car for a year, I wasn't really happy with the effort it took to shift the trans and decided to try the CNC Performance Parts shift package. There is a significant difference in shift quality, but (there's usually always a but)....it did change the shift pattern. Now, reverse is obtained by 'moving the lever to the left
and then forward'. I have attached a sketch of the 2 different systems and their shift patterns.
HTH, Rod
Let me try to add a little clarity to this. My car is a LHD RCR40 with a ZF 5DS-25/2 Transaxle. I originally built it using The RCR shifter. It's the same as the one you have. Reverse gear was obtained by 'pushing down on the lever, moving it to the left and then back toward the rear'. I believe this is what you are describing yours as doing and that is correct with the RCR shifter & cable system. After driving the car for a year, I wasn't really happy with the effort it took to shift the trans and decided to try the CNC Performance Parts shift package. There is a significant difference in shift quality, but (there's usually always a but)....it did change the shift pattern. Now, reverse is obtained by 'moving the lever to the left
and then forward'. I have attached a sketch of the 2 different systems and their shift patterns.
HTH, Rod
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After taking another look at the picture of your shifter box and lock out it is set up for reverse to be over and toward the dash. The cutout and block on the side is back for first gear then in neutral the push down on the shifter to get under the metal lip, move farther to the left and forward for reverse. Takes some fidling to get them to work right.
Lee Patterson
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Rod - Never saw a ZF with that shift pattern. The ZF has a dog-leg 1st gear with 2 - 3 centered in the middle and 4 - 5 centered on the right. The cable shifter doesn't modify what the box is doing.
Rod do you think I can get a photo of the setup with the CNC shift kit. Just the bracket and cable mount on the gear box
Rod Dittmar
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Rob,
Sorry, but I think we're talking cables here instead of rod shifters.
Lee,
It may be an 80 year old brain fart on my part, and it's been 4 years since I built my car. But, for whatever reason, I remember the shift pattern changing when I converted to the CNC system. I struggled, as Vinny is doing, to get the RCR system to work properly. Wish I still had my RCR shifter & the shift pattern label I had made for it. You're gated shifter picture looks exactly like the shift pattern I have now.
Sorry, but I think we're talking cables here instead of rod shifters.
Lee,
It may be an 80 year old brain fart on my part, and it's been 4 years since I built my car. But, for whatever reason, I remember the shift pattern changing when I converted to the CNC system. I struggled, as Vinny is doing, to get the RCR system to work properly. Wish I still had my RCR shifter & the shift pattern label I had made for it. You're gated shifter picture looks exactly like the shift pattern I have now.
Rod Dittmar
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Vinny,
These are the best pics I have. Note that in the 2nd picture, the trans & brkt are upside down from the proper orientation in the engine compt. Also note that both cables for this system come straight back from the shifter to the adapter brkt. instead of the one RCR cable looping around to the back. I'll get out to the garage later and get a better one of it in the car.
These are the best pics I have. Note that in the 2nd picture, the trans & brkt are upside down from the proper orientation in the engine compt. Also note that both cables for this system come straight back from the shifter to the adapter brkt. instead of the one RCR cable looping around to the back. I'll get out to the garage later and get a better one of it in the car.
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That’s a very nice looking bezel Lee. I want to do something like that with my Ricardo 6 speed. I have the factory shifter and they never had a true bezel. I have inquired several times with Numeic Racing. But many emails and many phone messages left not even the courtesy of a reply. They consistently send me emails when they have sales but won’t respond.
Regards Brian
Regards Brian
Lee Patterson
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Brian - that is actually a stock Pantera shift gate!
Thanks Rod, I appreciate it! It's hard to tell but it looks like both cables wrap around the back, which would make the push/pull opposite the RCR shifter. That would make sense.
Rod Dittmar
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Vinny,
Here are a couple of more pics showing the adapter brkt in the car and mounted on the ZF. Both cables from the CNC shifter route along the RH side between the aluminum chassis & lower engine block. The CNC pkg is expensive by itself, but adding the req'd new cables makes it even more so. The RCR system worked OK, but I'm happier now with the shift quality I have.
Lee, just wondering if you have the same components on your car that Vinny has & I had? That is, a factory RCR shifter pkg with cables going to a ZF?
Here are a couple of more pics showing the adapter brkt in the car and mounted on the ZF. Both cables from the CNC shifter route along the RH side between the aluminum chassis & lower engine block. The CNC pkg is expensive by itself, but adding the req'd new cables makes it even more so. The RCR system worked OK, but I'm happier now with the shift quality I have.
Lee, just wondering if you have the same components on your car that Vinny has & I had? That is, a factory RCR shifter pkg with cables going to a ZF?
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I fully agree with Lee, and position of the shifter inside the car has no influence ; I moved the shifter from center to right and fortunatelly the pattern di not changed !
Rod Dittmar
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Vinny, I PM'd you. Rod
Lee Patterson
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This may be of help to those with a ZF. This comes from the Pantera technical archives on the rotation and deflection required for each gear in the ZF starting from the 2nd - 3rd center neutral position:
Randy Folsom
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Does anyone know where to find the same type of information for the Quaife QBE62G?
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