America's Dumbest War Ever

[Tom P]

Tom, just as in any subculture there will be a renegade population. Within the Muslims the majority are peace loving people, but the Jihadists are the "renegade population" within the Muslim subculture. We Anglo-Saxons have our "Skinheads", who seem to think it is OK to shoot up a "church" full of peaceful worshiping Sikhs, just because they think the turbans on their heads makes them Jihadists...then the coward turns the gun on himself (with the end result appearing much as the cowardly "suicide bombers" achieve in their violent deeds).

To condemn ALL Muslim Brotherhood individuals is just as wrong as saying all blacks or all Hispanics or all Asians are despicable...or all Catholics or all Methodists or all Baptists or all MORMONS (get the hint there????).

I realize you're just taking a swipe at B.O.......just think you could easily have found a more appropriate manner in which to do so.

We should all be united in our efforts to get our respective governments to withdraw all our military, and perhaps all our diplomatic, personnel from Afghanistan and Iraq and Iran and everywhere else our "help" is NOT wanted...regardless of who is POTUS or how well we feel he has handled the job.

Bring our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, fathers and mothers, all our loved ones home...ALL of them, then drop that wonderful "Bucket full of LIGHT" David so eloquently mentioned in another post, destroy the poppy fields and the offensive Jihadists in ONE act of overpowering power. Sure, Pakistan has nuclear capability....but if the world is united in this act, Pakistan would surely see the futility of retaliation. A WWIII might happen, but it would not be one like WWI and WWII with soldiers on the ground, it would be absolutely "remote-controlled". Drones, ICBM's, etc....if we really want to DEFEAT THEM, it's the only way.

On the other hand, we can just withdraw and let them have at each other as they have for milleniums....and not just in the middle east, all over the world. Isolationism???? Perhaps, but we're unwanted, we're sitting ducks, and we're squandering our best in the process of what we are doing now, which seems to be the very definition of insanity...."persisting in a repetitive act and expecting a different outcome".

I guess the ramifications of dropping that "bucket of light" are so significant that I'm more in favor of leaving them to go at each other, but the "hawk" in me sure does want some revenge :idea:

This REALLY IS a stupid war....but most are, aren't they?

Doug

Doug, Try reading first, I didn't say Muslims, I said "Muslim Brotherhood". And they are radical Muslims. Yes I did get the hint. BOLD!

 

[Jim Craik]

Tom,

I'm still waiting for you to show us where President Obama said that the Muslim Brorherhood are our friend?

 

[Jim Craik]

If I had my life again would I change things around. Definitely and no more fucking cowards in charge of any co-alition forces

Posted by David

Please guys - use your intellect to a much better effect and tell the leaders what you believe to be right. Tell them they have thousands of peoples blood on their hands. Tell them there will be no place for them when some sort of reckoning happens - it will be gehenna - the lake of fire - or the armageddon. also posted by David

You want us to appeal to out leaders to stop this war! David, I absolutly agree with you and that I understand.


Then at the end you add this:

Oh - and some of us should run it through a 'spall chicker' first as well
as we don't want the leaders to think we are a dumb bunch of shits.
Even if it might be true......

So David, let me see if I understand what you are saying.............

We should write our leaders, about the horrible war.........

You think its OK to call them all "COWARDS"

You think its OK to tell them they will all go to hell.

You think its OK suggest that we drop a wonderful "bucket of light" and kill hundreds of thousands of inocent people.

You think all that is a good idea.......................

But whatever we do, we must not misspell a word, because they might think we are dumb!

Really?

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

Speaking to a few of my mates in the Aussie defence forces it's the stupid rules of engagement that are giving heart to the Taliban. We cannot shoot them unless they have an obvious weapon, if they put the weapon down we cannot shoot them. We cannot shoot if there is a risk to civilians even if we are taking incoming rounds. As they all dress the same how can you tell who is Taliban and who is not?

David I can assure you I have written several letters as you describe to politicians from the Prime Minister down. When they deigned to reply ( only a couple did), I got the official spin type reply. It seems a waste of time frankly.

Doug, you likened a skin head shooting up a church, one mad man, to the Radical Muslim. The difference is if the skin head had not shot himself he would have been dealt with by the law or the wider community.
When it comes to the "good" Muslims they appear to do nothing to stop the radicals. In local Mosques in Australia hate is being taught by some Mullahs yet the wider Muslim community does nothing to stop it.
The Mullahs can preach their hate because of our freedom of speech laws.
If Christians tried to preach their brand of religion in Afghanistan they wouldn't last two minutes.
I recently posted a photo of a young mother proudly taking a photo of her young son holding a placard that read behead those who insult the prophet. It was taken in Sydney Australia. She is part of the peace loving wider Muslim community you speak of.
Australia is a noted melting pot, we have Christians , Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs,
Greek Orthodox, Atheists the Salvos and I'm sure many I can't thinks of.
It appears to me the the only religion that preaches hate in my country is the Muslim.
Why do not the nice peace loving Muslims you speak of put a stop to it?
Their silence betrays them.

 

[Mark]

Well said Pete.

 

[Nick]

I recently posted a photo of a young mother proudly taking a photo of her young son holding a placard that read behead those who insult the prophet. It was taken in Sydney Australia. She is part of the peace loving wider Muslim community you speak of.

Pete blatantly she is not part of the peace loving wider Muslim community any more than Christians waving similar placards are part of the wider peace loving Christian community.

It appears to me the the only religion that preaches hate in my country is the Muslim.

According to the Muslim's I have spoken to in Islam killing anyone is a cardinal sin and there are many more Mullahs preaching peace than hate. Perhaps reporting that does not sell news.

Maybe it does not happen in your country, two wrongs do not make a right, but there are other religions preaching hate if you want an example type Louis Theroux the most hated family in America into Youtube.

Why do not the nice peace loving Muslims you speak of put a stop to it?
Their silence betrays them.

Can't speak for them but in my experience if you want peace it is probably best to keep your religious thoughts to yourself, particularly if posting in the paddock, as if you are lucky you may be told to go forth and multiply, if not it could be worse for airing those beliefs in public.

I have discussed this with a few of my Asian and African Muslim colleagues. Their reasons for not speaking out makes perfect sense to me but I do not have the intellect and literacy skills to convey those reasons accurately in writing.

Unfortunately it is not as simple as just speaking out or the peace loving Christians and non Christians would have been able to put a stop to Westboro Baptist church, the terrorists in Ireland would have been stopped decades before they were and peace, love and harmony would have broken out in the Paddock.

Why not ask some moderate peace loving Australian Muslims why they do not speak out?

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

Pete blatantly she is not part of the peace loving wider Muslim community any more than Christians waving similar placards are part of the wider peace loving Christian community.



According to the Muslim's I have spoken to in Islam killing anyone is a cardinal sin and there are many more Mullahs preaching peace than hate. Perhaps reporting that does not sell news.

Maybe it does not happen in your country, two wrongs do not make a right, but there are other religions preaching hate if you want an example type Louis Theroux the most hated family in America into Youtube.



Can't speak for them but in my experience if you want peace it is probably best to keep your religious thoughts to yourself, particularly if posting in the paddock, as if you are lucky you may be told to go forth and multiply, if not it could be worse for airing those beliefs in public.

I have discussed this with a few of my Asian and African Muslim colleagues. Their reasons for not speaking out makes perfect sense to me but I do not have the intellect and literacy skills to convey those reasons accurately in writing.

Unfortunately it is not as simple as just speaking out or the peace loving Christians and non Christians would have been able to put a stop to Westboro Baptist church, the terrorists in Ireland would have been stopped decades before they were and peace, love and harmony would have broken out in the Paddock.

Why not ask some moderate peace loving Australian Muslims why they do not speak out?

I don't know any moderate peace loving Muslims, although I am sure some exist.
Perhaps they prefer to hang out with limp wristed, hand wringing socialists than old white guys?
When has a Christian had a four year old hold up a placard like that?

 

[Jim Craik]

When has a Christian had a four year old hold up a placard like that?

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[Nick]

I don't know any moderate peace loving Muslims, although I am sure some exist.
Perhaps they prefer to hang out with limp wristed, hand wringing socialists than old white guys?

Well Pete obviously you don't have any limp wristed, hand wringing socialists in Australia or perhaps by your own reckoning you would have found some moderate peace loving Muslims.

I'll try to get more of those socialists over to you to help you with your search. I believe a lot of them live in Wales at present, they could bring their sheep with them. Seek and you will find, if you want to

When has a Christian had a four year old hold up a placard like that

Although Pete you are correct as as a Christian I do not consider these people to be Christians, in the same way that the peace loving Muslims I know do not consider your placard waving people to be Muslims.

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[Bob Fechter]

I love how the lefties pull jpg's from ultra left wing websites while dissing Fox, but I think this guy has got it down pretty well!

A word to rioting Muslims - YouTube

 

[Mark]

Nick, that is FREEDOM OF SPEECH! Jim C suggests that I would like to do away freedom of speech. He is wrong by the way. But now, please show similar examples of such behavior outside of the USA

 

[Jeff Young]

Jeebus. You know, I think we all agree that this is a useless war in which a lot of young Americans, Australians, and Brits have been killed, and that it needs to end.

Wish we could leave it at that.

 

[Mark]

I agree with your sentiment Jeff, but if the debating stops, who is to police the policy makers?

 

[Jim Rosenthal]

That's those idiots from Westboro Baptist Church. Best way to deal with them is not pay attention, because attention is what they LOVE.

They DO test one's belief in freedom of speech, but FOS has endured worse than they, believe me.

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

Jeebus. You know, I think we all agree that this is a useless war in which a lot of young Americans, Australians, and Brits have been killed, and that it needs to end.

Wish we could leave it at that.

Agreed.:thumbsup:

Jim,those so called Christians using their kids that way disgust me as much as the Muslims.
Who do the same.

 

[Nick]

Agreed.:thumbsup:

Jim,those so called Christians using their kids that way disgust me as much as the Muslims.
Who do the same.

Pete,

Agreed as well :thumbsup:

That's those idiots from Westboro Baptist Church. Best way to deal with them is not pay attention, because attention is what they LOVE.

Jim,

Also agreed :thumbsup:

 

[Jim Craik]

Agreed.:thumbsup:

Jim,those so called Christians using their kids that way disgust me as much as the Muslims.
Who do the same.

Pete, I absolutly agree, this is disgusting.

But Pete, thats the point!

This group of "Christians" is operating well outside the relm of Christians as we know them. Yet these photos are there. Anyone looking do degrade Christianity can post these photos as proof of just how bad Christians are.

Its just the same with the Muslim childeren holding signs. They too are well outside the relm of typical Musims. Yet those photos are there. Anyone looking to degrade Islam can post those photos as proof of just how bad Islam is. Right?

Pete, In this instance is one any better than the other?

You can always find a photo or a quote that some Muslim or some Christian said to outrage the other side.

The fact that these photos/quotes do not represent either religion is never explained.

Using a photo of a kid in Austrailia holding an outlandish sign to prove the point that all Mulims are just like this.............

Is no different than using photos of "Christian" children or anti Muslim films to show that all Christians are just like this...................

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That is the point that Nick, Jeff and I have been trying to explain.

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

Jim, I don't know what it is like In the Good Ol USA but where I live Muslims have
taken over parts of cities notably Bankstown in NSW and it is a virtual no go zone for non Muslims and Police without backup. Your friend Mr Google may have helped you find a radical group of Christians using kids in that disgusting manner, but it is nowhere as wide spread as is the hate emanating from the Muslim community.
Also I am sure if you do another Google search you will find other Christians speaking out against such actions.
On the other hand the Muslim community in Australia remain largely silent.
BTW I am not a Christian, but a devout Atheist, if one can be devout and an Atheist.

 

[Mark]

I am happy to see us all actually agreeing , yet saddened that we get stuck on the obvious! Trying to make meaningful comparisons like these is so futile. As Pete rightly explains, most Christians or more correctly, non Muslims actively condemn these radicals. Not so the mainstream Muslim communities. At least not that I can see. I think that western folk would be less suspicious of our Muslim brothers, would that they welcome us and our ways in their homelands, as we do them in ours.

 

[Jim Craik]

Mark,

You say mainstream Muslims do not condemn radical muslims.

Apparently you have not looked.