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Larry L.

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Well fortunately Larry, most of us aren't like you.

Aaaaaaaaah...but, "fortunate" for whom, sir? :squint:




I do appreciate that you've retrenched a degree or two from the CCW issue as a solution...

"Solution"? 'Don't recall ever labeling concealed carry as a "solution"...'just labeled it (as you put it) an effective defense...which it is - far more often than not. (Once AGAIN: who confronted the London Bridge terrorists and put an END to 'em? (1) Demonstrators/protestors/anti-gunners chanting and carrying signs, (2) politicians talk, talk, talking and threatening SANCTIONS, or, (3) good guys with guns who used them?)


...but pigs blood? Are you serious?

'Should have been obvious that was mentioned mostly 'tongue-in-cheek', Keith. ;) However, I'd much prefer actually adopting that as a tactic than falling back on something akin to Chamberlain's "solution".



(Edit) 'Forgot this'n:

...People told us before 'Gulf 2' that this would be a likely outcome, and did we listen?

From my point of view, this is one of the reasons that GWB & TB should be indicted..

Islamic terrorists had been attacking us LONG BEFORE those two were in power.
 
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Larry L.

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Hey Larry, with regards to Winnie, of course he was referring to an entirely different enemy using entirely different belligerent tactics. Anyone could have said that given the circumstances and they would have been right.


You're 'spinning', Keith. War is war...and like it or not/admit it or not we're in one.

So, tell me...what is the difference regarding the degree of 'dead' between those killed in WWII and those being killed by Islamic terrorists today no matter what the differences may be with regard to the weapons/tactics used back then vs. now?

IOW, the bottom line here is ISIS-types intend to kill and take over. The Axis powers intended to kill and take over. Therefore it's a fallacy to say Islamic terrorists are "an entirely different enemy". Nope. They're not. When you boil it all down, their goal is the same - to take over. And killing is the tactic being used to get 'em there. 'No difference.
 

Keith

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Well Larry, if you can't spot the difference between Ahmed your erstwhile friendly neighbour and a heavily armed platoon of Waffen SS then I'm afraid you will need some cognitive guidance mate...

Not trying to jerk your chain but coming at a problem from an unusual angle, or just simply having a different viewpoint does not = spin, a different slant perhaps yes.

This 'spin' thing has got a really bad press :lipsrsealed: and it's a malpractice if you ask me. I hate both the word and the practice so I'll be careful in future to only put a different 'slant' on things but avoid 'spin' at all costs..
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
^^^ Again, "the difference in the degree of dead" experienced by "Ahmed's" victims or that experienced by the vics of the "SS platoon".........is.........?

Hint: There is none, sir.
 

Mike

Lifetime Supporter
Keith, you just labeled those in your society that would like access to firearms as extremists...

We can't imagine ourselves with guns and you can't imagine yourselves without them. That's a fact, and I have absolutely no interest (as do we all over here in the UK except for a few extremists)

You then seemed miffed why those on the opposite in the US are being labeled unfairly in your opinion I assume. The irony lol...

You can possibly start (not you personally Larry) by explaining in detail why it is some US people (folks?) correlate gun "activists" (by which I mean those that wish to enhance gun control laws in the US) with being "left wing, liberals, communists, anti-American" etc. I am personally interested in when this started as I can't remember any of this sentiment when I lived in Alabama in the 80's.
 

Keith

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Keith, you just labeled those in your society that would like access to firearms as extremists...



You then seemed miffed why those on the opposite in the US are being labeled unfairly in your opinion I assume. The irony lol...

Haha yes I can see why you would come to that conclusion, I was referring to (but failed to identify) those in the UK who want to tote guns around in public. There are a significant number of people here who have access to guns. apparently over 2 million and about half that number shoot regularly and it isn't a problem at all. If I was fit, I would certainly join a gun club. I very much enjoyed shooting competitively some years back and I like guns for all the reasons you do..
 

Keith

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^^^ Again, "the difference in the degree of dead" experienced by "Ahmed's" victims or that experienced by the vics of the "SS platoon".........is.........?

Hint: There is none, sir.

Oh well wooosh straight over the top again. I was referring to the aspect of fighting a war WWII style, when the enemy (bless them) all had identifiable uniforms on and fought in recognisable formations. Whereas I accept that you are just as dead being shot by either Ahmed or Gunther, I posit that fighting them and their respective ilk is vastly different 73 years apart!

So, when you used Churchill as an analogy, he would not have recognised that the enemy was likely to be his next door neighbour and thus the method of warfare completely incomparable.

There now we have flogged that one to death and it's taken up far too much bandwidth already.:dead:
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
I was referring to the aspect of fighting a war WWII style, when the enemy (bless them) all had identifiable uniforms on and fought in recognisable formations...fighting them and their respective ilk is vastly different 73 years apart...(Churchill) would not have recognised that the enemy was likely to be his next door neighbor...

I did recognize that as being your 'point'...but, my counter was (and still IS) that Sir Winston undoubtedly would have recognized modern day reality dictates his neighbor could be the enemy (he wasn't "slow upstairs" ya know), and he would to this day still support the idea of citizens putting up armed resistance in response to terrorist attacks vs. the "stand-there-and-do-nothing-or-RUN-AWAY' so as to avoid collateral damage at all costs" option (that would appear was being advocated on the other thread).

Regardless,"we have flogged that one to death".

It's quittin' time...
 

Keith

Moderator
Agree. I do, interestingly, have two major attributes in common with Winston. Neither of us ever passed an exam in our lives and we both have (or had) a long lasting love affair with Cognac..

Unfortunately, it now creates "issues" with my health so I have had to ration my intake a bit. Nothing to do with the liver or anything but it just affects my breathing too much and doesn't go at all well with Morphine :stunned: (which is my lifesaver).

I am watching Saving Private Ryan right now - probably my favourite war movie, both in a tip of the hat to D-Day 73 years ago and to try & remember what kind of world they were fighting for before it all seemed to go to hell in a hand cart..
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
Agree. I do, interestingly, have two major attributes in common with Winston. Neither of us ever passed an exam in our lives...

...'bribed the school administers, did ya?


...and we both have (or had) a long lasting love affair with Cognac..

Whilst I 'imbibed', I never once tried that stuff. 'Darned if I know why...


I am watching Saving Private Ryan right now - probably my favourite war movie, both in a tip of the hat to D-Day 73 years ago...

Coincidentally, I was born on D-Day. Shortly after they heard about it, the "Jerrys" decided to surrender.

You're welcome...
 

Mike

Lifetime Supporter
Once upon a time the English made fun of the US electing Donald Trump...

Then they elected this guy...

The end...

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Charlie Farley

Supporter
At least his hair is real...
btw, he wasn't elected to a position of power, as in PONCENESS,
like Donald Duck was.
Sorry, as in PUTINUS.
 

Mike

Lifetime Supporter
Who are the court jesters standing in the back? Is that an English thing? I bet ISIS is scared to death now ha.
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter

Ya might wanna watch the hand there, pal.

And, to Mike's question, what IS the deal with the 'Willy Wonka'-style hats in back? :lipsrsealed:

On a serious note, from the coverage over here, I'm led to believe Corbyn leans about as far left as one can w/o falling over...'big socialist...staunchly anti-Brexit...anti-U.S., etc., etc. You name the radical left position and he waves the banner for it.

Yes? No?
 

Keith

Moderator
Mike, I think you MAY have been a tad presumptuous old bean. Corbyn hadn't been elected to do anything except perhaps to give ms May a back rub, and the attitude regarding Trump seems pretty universal and transcends traditional political divides so not an 'English' thing. I actually don't have much a view either way, and while I'm quite sure there are Trump admirers in the U.K., I haven't yet honestly met one.. (Try using the UK terminology Mike - it's the correct one.) Even though there is technically a place now called England, and much of this region's history was dominated by such a place, I myself was born here and yet I cannot register as "English" on an official form because we're all citizens (subjects whatever) of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The Great Britain bit includes England Wales & Scotland. So, they brought us up to be 'British' and nowt else. Of course, the Scots don't like that idea at all, so they're Scottish and have a fully devolved parliament that administer purely Scottish issues, The Welsh have a partially devolved parliament that administers purely Welsh issues, and the Norther Irish, yes, you've guessed it. They can also all claim their respective nationality on official forms. But not us, 'our' Parliament administers U.K. Stuff, so until/ if complete devolution happens England does not officially exist as a State. And, here's the rub: all of the MPs from those devolved states get to vote on 'English' issues!

There, it's quite simple, isn't it' :shifty:

And quoting the Old 'Currant Bun?' Is that the, ahem, newspaper your British friends use?

PS I've taken so long to write this in between home, the day hospice and home again, and on a poxy mobile phone, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Charles has become Queen.:laugh:
 
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