Taking History Back From the Liberal's Lies.

[Bob Fechter]

Bob, as a former history teacher and life long lover of all things connected to the founding of America, I find not one statement of yours about slavery to be true. Revisionist history is the home of the ignorant and uneducated. Read more Bob, and post less. I find you an imbarrisment to the American Educational System and suspect that you are a weak minded sheep being lead by propagandists. Having said that, although i strongly disagree with you i will die to protect your right to say it, shaking my head the whole time.

Its an "Imbarrisment" to know how woefully compromised the educational system is in America and around the world for that matter.

"Blame others for what you do." The nerve of the Left to accuse Conservatives of revising history when Liberals have done a wholesale revision of American history. Dig up a history book from fifty years ago and compare it to the brainwashing you are receiving now, Comrade.

 

[AdrianBurton]

Its an "Imbarrisment" to know how woefully compromised the educational system is in America and around the world for that matter.

"Blame others for what you do." The nerve of the Left to accuse Conservatives of revising history when Liberals have done a wholesale revision of American history. Dig up a history book from fifty years ago and compare it to the brainwashing you are receiving now, Comrade.

Bob
Are you serious? If the founding fathers were so enlightened as you would proclaim, why then did they NOT abolish slavery when they penned the Declaration of Independence? It would have been so easy to do so.

Here is another question:
Does acknowledging your evil absolve you of it if you continue to do it???

The persuit of money is the root of all evil. The founders wanted to keep their riches to themselves and were willing to have others fight and die to do that, much like to day.

 

[Bob Fechter]

Bob
Are you serious? If the founding fathers were so enlightened as you would proclaim, why then did they NOT abolish slavery when they penned the Declaration of Independence? It would have been so easy to do so.

Here is another question:
Does acknowledging your evil absolve you of it if you continue to do it???

The persuit of money is the root of all evil. The founders wanted to keep their riches to themselves and were willing to have others fight and die to do that, much like to day.

" why then did they NOT abolish slavery when they penned the Declaration of Independence? It would have been so easy to do so." Forming a union out of thirteen independent states was an extremely difficult challenge. The pressing issue at the time was the ever heavier handed actions of the British. Problem #1 was breaking free form Britain. But what they did do is put in the wording that made it possible to get to that abolition.s


Once again, you are judging the founders on current standards. What was normal then is offensive now. What we do today will more than likely be offensive in two hundred years.
The alternative to the USA two hundred years ago was almost universal acceptance of
slavery in all of recorded history.

The founders were enlightened. They said what no other leaders dare say before. We are ALL equal, not by the power of government, but by our Creator's design.

Two hundred years ago that was potent stuff, and still is as enslaved people of the present world still yearn for the freedom of America. No one is sneaking into China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba, etc.

Realize that there is a concerted effort to denigrate the Constitution, Bill of Rights, the USA itself by demonizing its founders with slurs pulled out of context.

There is a very real war going on all around us. Most don't want to know, a few, on both sides are engaged.

 

[Chris P.]

" why then did they NOT abolish slavery when they penned the Declaration of Independence? It would have been so easy to do so." Forming a union out of thirteen independent states was an extremely difficult challenge. The pressing issue at the time was the ever heavier handed actions of the British. Problem #1 was breaking free form Britain. But what they did do is put in the wording that made it possible to get to that abolition.s


Once again, you are judging the founders on current standards. What was normal then is offensive now. What we do today will more than likely be offensive in two hundred years.
The alternative to the USA two hundred years ago was almost universal acceptance of
slavery in all of recorded history.

The founders were enlightened. They said what no other leaders dare say before. We are ALL equal, not by the power of government, but by our Creator's design.

Two hundred years ago that was potent stuff, and still is as enslaved people of the present world still yearn for the freedom of America. No one is sneaking into China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba, etc.

Realize that there is a concerted effort to denigrate the Constitution, Bill of Rights, the USA itself by demonizing its founders with slurs pulled out of context.

There is a very real war going on all around us. Most don't want to know, a few, on both sides are engaged.

Wow, Bob - you are officially delusional. Holy cow was that a one sided and wholly naive thought process. Dude - being offensive has nothing at all to do with it. Stop and digest the words for once then look at the actions. All men are created equal. However, they kept slaves and allowed witch hunts to take place. Wake up man and call this spade a spade for once.

America is not the only free land on this planet either. Please stop insulting other countries from your little pedestal.

"concerted effort to denigrate the Constitution, Bill of Rights, the USA itself" ??? Really? No, Bob - you choose to try and turn a group that you don't agree with into the enemy. Once again, make them the enemy then there can't be a discussion with them. It may make you feel good, but it's immature and unconstructive. Once again, another example of the cause of the "divide" in this country.

 

[Bob Fechter]

Wow, Bob - you are officially delusional. Holy cow was that a one sided and wholly naive thought process. Dude - being offensive has nothing at all to do with it. Stop and digest the words for once then look at the actions. All men are created equal. However, they kept slaves and allowed witch hunts to take place. Wake up man and call this spade a spade for once.

America is not the only free land on this planet either. Please stop insulting other countries from your little pedestal.

"concerted effort to denigrate the Constitution, Bill of Rights, the USA itself" ??? Really? No, Bob - you choose to try and turn a group that you don't agree with into the enemy. Once again, make them the enemy then there can't be a discussion with them. It may make you feel good, but it's immature and unconstructive. Once again, another example of the cause of the "divide" in this country.

I know what you believe is in vogue right now. How about if you stop and examine whoever taught this stuff to you.

Honestly, take a look at who is saying this. Just leave all your baggage behind and ask what the agenda is of the people who have convinced you of these issues.

 

[Chris P.]

I know what you believe is in vogue right now. How about if you stop and examine whoever taught this stuff to you.

Honestly, take a look at who is saying this. Just leave all your baggage behind and ask what the agenda is of the people who have convinced you of these issues.

I'm glad you're taking a hiatus from political talk. Well, on second thought, I don't think it will matter because you rarely every stay on topic anyway. What I believe in is vogue? What the hell does that mean? You think you know what I believe? You're more clueless than I originally thought. What baggage? WTF???

The witch hunts never took place? Is that what you're saying? I suppose next you're going to tell me that Christopher Columbus did absolutely nothing but find new land and report back to his superiors with the wonderful news. What freakin books are you reading?

 

[Jim Craik]

Bob here are some reviews of your foolish history illusions.

Bob, as a former history teacher and life long lover of all things connected to the founding of America, I find not one statement of yours about slavery to be true. Revisionist history is the home of the ignorant and uneducated. Read more Bob, and post less. I find you an imbarrisment to the American Educational System and suspect that you are a weak minded sheep being lead by propagandists. Having said that, although i strongly disagree with you i will die to protect your right to say it, shaking my head the whole time.

 

[Jim Craik]

And some more.

Wow, Bob - you are officially delusional. Holy cow was that a one sided and wholly naive thought process. Dude - being offensive has nothing at all to do with it. Stop and digest the words for once then look at the actions. All men are created equal. However, they kept slaves and allowed witch hunts to take place. Wake up man and call this spade a spade for once.

America is not the only free land on this planet either. Please stop insulting other countries from your little pedestal.

"concerted effort to denigrate the Constitution, Bill of Rights, the USA itself" ??? Really? No, Bob - you choose to try and turn a group that you don't agree with into the enemy. Once again, make them the enemy then there can't be a discussion with them. It may make you feel good, but it's immature and unconstructive. Once again, another example of the cause of the "divide" in this country.

 

[Jim Craik]

And some more.

Bob
Are you serious? If the founding fathers were so enlightened as you would proclaim, why then did they NOT abolish slavery when they penned the Declaration of Independence? It would have been so easy to do so.

Here is another question:
Does acknowledging your evil absolve you of it if you continue to do it???

The persuit of money is the root of all evil. The founders wanted to keep their riches to themselves and were willing to have others fight and die to do that, much like to day.

 

[Jim Craik]

And some more.

Erm...no. The free world was actually already free you thick twat.

Jeez. I take you off ignore for 5 seconds and you're already posting threads with devisive themes again.

Oh, and by the way, get your facts right Bob. Yours is a very young country, you didn't invent everything that is good, and you don't hold the copyright on all things democratic and free.

One last thing Bob. Please post up some thoughts of your own, and stop being such a troll....please?

I've got you rumbled. I actually think you are a commie pinko liberal who's trolling around for like minds so that you can then double agent them and report them to McCarthy. STOP THE PRESS - the world has moved on Bob, and you are left being a bleeding heart liberal with no one to argue with anymore.

C'est la vie.

 

[Jim Craik]

But of them all, this is my favorite review of your revisionist history!

Bob, as a former history teacher and life long lover of all things connected to the founding of America, I find not one statement of yours about slavery to be true. Revisionist history is the home of the ignorant and uneducated. Read more Bob, and post less. I find you an imbarrisment to the American Educational System and suspect that you are a weak minded sheep being lead by propagandists. Having said that, although i strongly disagree with you i will die to protect your right to say it, shaking my head the whole time.

 

[Tom P]

Bob, as a former history teacher and life long lover of all things connected to the founding of America, I find not one statement of yours about slavery to be true. Revisionist history is the home of the ignorant and uneducated. Read more Bob, and post less. I find you an imbarrisment to the American Educational System and suspect that you are a weak minded sheep being lead by propagandists. Having said that, although i strongly disagree with you i will die to protect your right to say it, shaking my head the whole time.

You are a former educator of our young, you'll have to excuse my ignorance, but WTF does "imbarrisment" mean. No wonder kids can't read when they graduate HS!

 

[Jim Craik]

Tom,

You seen very concerned about our children.

Please explain why in a discussion about revisions history, the one thing you pick up on is a miss spelled word.

Tom, I can see that you had no trouble reading or understanding the post. Even with a miss spelled word.

Your teachers obviously did a very good job teaching you to read.

Now lets see how well you learned critical thinking?

Tom do you think that the founding fathers freed the slaves?

Do you think that we invaded Iraq because they were responsible for 9-11?

Do you think that the Obama administration is riddled with Communists?

Do you think it's a lie when they say that President Obama was born in Honolulu?

Tom do you understand that Mr Fechter believes all those things to be true.

Tom would you want Mr Fechter to teach history to your children?

 

[Doug S.]

Tom, who among us has not made a simple typing error, or even (heaven forbid) misspelled a word? Does that in turn justify your righteous indictment of our country's educational system?

I don't think so....can't in any manner believe that you do, either.

Quit focusing on the minutia (AKA "...the small stuff"), this thread is not about spelling, it is more about the unfounded paranoia that surrounds the radical fringe element in our country.

They've always been there, always will...and, who knows, with good cause? After having dedicated a 32 year career to helping students with significant educational needs, which by choice included searching out summer educational opportunities for students with reading difficulties, I can't imagine even ONE of the individuals to whom I entrusted the education of my target population who believed that being able to read was NOT important, much less imagine (as suggested many times by the highly esteemed author of this topic) that the mainstream education system has any time to preach/teach left-wing philosophy. We simply had too much to do, often times re-education those who were "home schooled" by well-intentioned but poorly prepared radical fringe parents like the author of this topic.

Paranoia seems to be a staple among the "home-school" crowd....doesn't mean they are right, just paranoid.

I suspect our esteemed originator of this thread has had some difficulties remaining in the public education system. His is the type of behavior and rhetoric that could easily present a barrier in a classroom to presentation of curriculum material, so he was probably placed in some sort of an alternative education program where his outrageous behaviors could be attended to.

I've seen it many times.....kids who think they are the next "Rebel Without a Cause", adopt the attitude that it is the system's fault, the teacher's fault, the kid next to them's fault, anyone else's fault except their own. It is the main reason I focused on helping the elementary school population....at least their dreams and hopes have not been smashed by parents who have histories of being less than successful in school through their own fault.

The issue here is to focus on the global concept, not someone's fumble-fingered attempt to type (and LORD KNOWS that I have more than my share of problems with being fumble-fingered!!!).

Cheers!

Doug

 

[Tom P]

Tom,

You seen very concerned about our children.

Please explain why in a discussion about revisions history, the one thing you pick up on is a miss spelled word.

Tom, I can see that you had no trouble reading or understanding the post. Even with a miss spelled word.

Your teachers obviously did a very good job teaching you to read.

Now lets see how well you learned critical thinking?

Tom do you think that the founding fathers freed the slaves?

Do you think that we invaded Iraq because they were responsible for 9-11?

Do you think that the Obama administration is riddled with Communists?

Do you think it's a lie when they say that President Obama was born in Honolulu?

Tom do you understand that Mr Fechter believes all those things to be true.

Tom would you want Mr Fechter to teach history to your children?

I am concerned about the education of American children, we are not at the top of the heap when it comes to that, we should be. The word "embarrassment" wasn't just mispelled by a former educator, it wasn't even close. As for your questions, I already did my monthly quota a few days ago.

 

[Bob Fechter]

The Board Nazi with his list, sigh. 'Dolph, is this how you spend a Saturday night?

First off, as I've said numerous times, the Founding Fathers wrote the documents that led to the freeing of the slaves. The concept of slavery goes back to the beginnings of mankind and exists today.

It takes a long time to "fundamentally change" a nations attitudes, and that's why they couldn't immediately ban slavery.

An example of how long it takes to "fundamentally change" a country can be seen in the ongoing swing to socialism in this country, Wilson to Roosevelt to Obama.

You lived through the invasion of Iraq, craik, and yet you forget why we invaded them. Worldwide sources were telling us they had WMDs. The Clinton administration so crippled our intelligence agencies that we were forced to us foreign agencies for a lot of our data. This was further compounded by the months it took to finally invade. During those months the WMDs were taken out of the country.

We also know that they were harboring many Al Queada, who did attack the USA.

Communist, Progressive, Liberal, call it what you want if words are so important to you. Obama is the most liberal president this country has ever seen. I cannot over emphasize that he openly wants to "fundamentally change" this country. No one ever questioned what that meant.

His party and the national media made no attempts to vette this man, which ties into the birther thing. At this point, it doesn't matter where he was born. What does matter is that his background is a mystery, and he had no experience to take over one of the most important jobs in the world.

 

[Nick]

Originally Posted by true

Bob, as a former history teacher and life long lover of all things connected to the founding of America, I find not one statement of yours about slavery to be true. Revisionist history is the home of the ignorant and uneducated. Read more Bob, and post less. I find you an imbarrisment to the American Educational System and suspect that you are a weak minded sheep being lead by propagandists. Having said that, although i strongly disagree with you i will die to protect your right to say it, shaking my head the whole time.

You are a former educator of our young, you'll have to excuse my ignorance, but WTF does "imbarrisment" mean. No wonder kids can't read when they graduate HS!

Description of Ad Hominem
Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.

Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim).

Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting).


The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

 

[Jim Craik]

Mr Fechter,

More revisionest history!

Now you are saying we invaded Iraq because of WMDs.

Then Why, in your "Exporting Our Money" thread in post #27 during a discussion about why we started the Iraq war did you make this statement?

You know, like take the fight to them and keep them from attacking us like they did in 911.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

Posted by Mr Fechter.

************

Did Iraq attack us on 9-11?

Both former President GW Bush and his Vice President have said the Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.

So now you are calling President Bush a liar?

So tell us, we're you wrong then or wrong now?

 

[Jim Craik]

Mr Fechter,

Truth does not come easy to you does it.

Try checking what post before you post it, it's not hard.

9/11 panel sees no Iraq-al-Qaida link - US news - Security - but found “ no credible evidence” of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks ...

 

[Bob Fechter]

If you are honestly interested in the truth, Jim, I recommend you read this article by Debra Baker. It is comprehensive and well footnoted;

Archived-Articles: Saddam and al-Qaeda

Mr Fechter,

Truth does not come easy to you does it.

Try checking what post before you post it, it's not hard.

9/11 panel sees no Iraq-al-Qaida link - US news - Security - but found “ no credible evidence” of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks ...