For the what it's worth department. In checking up to see how Graham(of GTD fame)was doing, I was told that Rodger Marsh is "winding up" his GTD operation. I was also told that there is a very big chance that Ray and Graham may try to get it straightened out and back in business. It seems that in the case of closing down Ray and Graham retain some significant property rights to the tooling, molds, drawings etc. Here is hoping that our friends in the UK will keep us up to date on the situation.