Is Fox Next?

Howard Jones

Supporter
Craig, Jim, since you are people who would be interested in the truth. How about looking into this. How many of the companies that have pulled their support from Fox received obama admin waivers for obama care?

As I am sure you are aware there have been nearly 3000 waivers approved for US organizations since obama care was passed by the demo controlled congress over a unanimous no vote from the Republicans.

Maybe you could post that list. You guys doing it would save all the discussion about my bias.
 
I believe an uninformed electorate elected a man for the office of President based on his skin color and a message of hope and change. The candidate was a politically inexperienced academian with community organizing skills learned from his readings and worship of Saul Alinsky. Saul Alinsky, The Man Who Inspired Obama : NPR
He also had associations with known radicals. Bill Ayers presidential election controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He sat in a radical church for 20 years and was mentored and listened to inspirational tapes on the campaign trail of Jeremiah Wright. When faced with the controversy he dropped his long time friend and mentor like a hot potatoe. Jeremiah Wright controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He surrounded himself with academians and people of less than upright backgrounds, Van Jones for one. This presidency has a cabinet with 8% real life work experience compared to an average of 30% percent for past presidents. You ask why this matters? The Presidency is a real job with real life issues, not classroom issues.
He has acted very slowly on crisis, over a month for the oil crisis
He had no foreign policy experience and is an embarrassment with his bowing and apologizing for the United States. When he puts his foot in his mouth it is rarely if ever covered by the media nor were the previous issues covered by a silent media.
So here we have a president of self acknowledged marxist and socialist background and aquaintance, that a deaf and dumbed up electorate put into office because he's a compelling speaker (until the teleprompter quits). An electorate (for those that will vote for him again) that will not listen to facts and accept who and what this man really is.
I will give him credit for giving the order to kill/capture of Osama Bin Laden that if it had failed could have had dire consequences for his future. That was an example of being in the right place at the right time. I was disapointed that he never gave full credit as to how the information was obtained and the timeline used to pursue the information. I do believe that the electorate will be more informed this time around and I don't see BO's economic measures improving anything in the next 16 months. Move over Jimmy Carter!
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
This is another threat I found, I do not know who wrote it but....I approve this message.

Disparaging Education. There is an emerging and disturbing lack of reverence for education and intellectualism in many mainstream media discourses. In fact, in some circles (e.g. Fox), higher education is often disparaged as elitist. Having a university credential is perceived by these folks as not a sign of credibility, but of a lack of it. In fact, among some commentators, evidence of intellectual prowess is treated snidely and as anti-American. The disdain for education and other evidence of being trained in critical thinking are direct threats to a hive-mind mentality, which is why they are so viscerally demeaned.

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Fox News? Network has a vested interest in their audience accepting their radical-right drivel without questioning the veracity of the content. Those with higher education degrees didn't get them by blindly accepting what they are told, they get them through a required rigorous program of research and study. Once one gains critical thinking skills, it is easy to see through the Fox News? Network's agenda of hate-mongering. No wonder FN?N doesn't want an educated audience :idea:

Jim I think you misread the conservative view of education. I love higher education but I am really concerned that in most institutions pirimary and otherwise they no longer teach critical thinking skills. One side is presented as gospel instead of multiple views alowing the kids to think, compare, contrast. This is one of the main reasons my wife and I, both of whom have graduate degrees, chose to homeschool our children.

I have to call BS on this comment. I spent 32 years in public education and I can attest that the HUGE majority of teachers are more interested in teaching critical thinking skills than simply a curriculum. So...why do SO many right-wingers believe as you do? IMHO, it is because the REPUBLICANS have insisted on "accountability" in the education field (not a bad idea, in fact a great idea in my mind), and have tied their beliefs regarding whether the schools have been accountable to the "standardized" testing that the REPUBLICANS and their right-wing cronies have forced on the education system. Those tests, in my experience (and all 32 years was in the field of special education) do not often offer reliable predictions regarding a student's ability to lead a productive adult life, they more frequently relate to a student's ability to pass a WRITTEN test. It is a sad event, indeed, that the conservative-minded legislators have forced this invalid measure on the public, not to mention the hard working teachers who almost to a person lament the way the testing progress has hamstrung their ability to teach the important skills of critical thinking.

So....you home school your kids. Do you and your wife have graduate, or even undergraduate degrees in education? If not, what basis to you have to believe that you understand how learning occurs, what makes you believe you can do a better job than those who have spent the greater part of your life learning how to become better educators (inservice training is ALL about learning to be more effective in reaching ALL students, not just the easy to teach)? I would suggest that your reason for home schooling is simply so that you can indoctrinate (many of us prefer the word "brainwash") your children into your own radical right-wing way of thinking. You might well keep them from being able to develop those critical thinking skills that are so important in adult life as you proceed to insist on blind belief/obedience to the conservative agenda. I've known many like you....there are some good home-schoolers out there and some good home-schooling programs, but for the most part those I know who have chosen to home school their children have done so because their radical-conservative belief system has no tolerance for the manner in which public education ATTEMPTS (all the while being hamstrung by the current "NCLB" testing requirements) to develop those developing minds in a balanced, unbiased manner.

YOMV, obviously, and I fully expect to be flamed by you and the rest of the radical-conservative members. To all of you, I ask you to look deep for your motivations in this area...do you want your children to be able to deal with agendas/individuals of all persuasions, or do you want your children to have a "skewed" view, such as you, yourselves, do? I think the answer is obvious :uneasy:

I think that ABC, CBS, NBC, and msnbc are pro Obama, and I hardly think he is doing a good job or will be re-elected.

MSNBC, perhaps (and, IMHO likely)...the rest, not so much as the paranoid radical-right would want us to believe. As for Bee-OH's re-election chances, we can only hope for what is best for the country as a whole, not just for those with the conservative viewpoint...and we can certainly HOPE that FN?N IS next, as Jim predicts, so that the biased viewpoint presented by their agenda cannot pollute more minds than they already have.

Cheers (to those who will read this with an open mind) from Doug!!
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
I believe an uninformed electorate elected a man for the office of President based on his skin color and a message of hope and change. Posted by TomP

So Tom, you just stated that you think our President was elected by a bunch of stupid racists!

So very sad.
 
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I believe an uninformed electorate elected a man for the office of President based on his skin color and a message of hope and change. Posted by TomP

So Tom, you just stated that you think our President was elected by a bunch of stupid racists!

So very sad.

Very Alinsky of you! I believe after talking to people that voted for Obama, I found that they were exceedingly proud that they as white people had voted in the first black president. At the same time when asked they couldn't tell me what his qualifications were, but they all said he was a dynamic speaker. So, we have a dynamic speaking black man in the White House, what a stroke of genius. "So very sad" For some reason people have forgotten that his mother was white, marxist and socialist to the max. Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro - Metapedia under political views.
Tell me Jim, what outstanding presidential qualifications did Obama possess.
 
Fox News? Network has a vested interest in their audience accepting their radical-right drivel without questioning the veracity of the content. Those with higher education degrees didn't get them by blindly accepting what they are told, they get them through a required rigorous program of research and study. Once one gains critical thinking skills, it is easy to see through the Fox News? Network's agenda of hate-mongering. No wonder FN?N doesn't want an educated audience :idea:



I have to call BS on this comment. I spent 32 years in public education and I can attest that the HUGE majority of teachers are more interested in teaching critical thinking skills than simply a curriculum. So...why do SO many right-wingers believe as you do? IMHO, it is because the REPUBLICANS have insisted on "accountability" in the education field (not a bad idea, in fact a great idea in my mind), and have tied their beliefs regarding whether the schools have been accountable to the "standardized" testing that the REPUBLICANS and their right-wing cronies have forced on the education system. Those tests, in my experience (and all 32 years was in the field of special education) do not often offer reliable predictions regarding a student's ability to lead a productive adult life, they more frequently relate to a student's ability to pass a WRITTEN test. It is a sad event, indeed, that the conservative-minded legislators have forced this invalid measure on the public, not to mention the hard working teachers who almost to a person lament the way the testing progress has hamstrung their ability to teach the important skills of critical thinking.

So....you home school your kids. Do you and your wife have graduate, or even undergraduate degrees in education? If not, what basis to you have to believe that you understand how learning occurs, what makes you believe you can do a better job than those who have spent the greater part of your life learning how to become better educators (inservice training is ALL about learning to be more effective in reaching ALL students, not just the easy to teach)? I would suggest that your reason for home schooling is simply so that you can indoctrinate (many of us prefer the word "brainwash") your children into your own radical right-wing way of thinking. You might well keep them from being able to develop those critical thinking skills that are so important in adult life as you proceed to insist on blind belief/obedience to the conservative agenda. I've known many like you....there are some good home-schoolers out there and some good home-schooling programs, but for the most part those I know who have chosen to home school their children have done so because their radical-conservative belief system has no tolerance for the manner in which public education ATTEMPTS (all the while being hamstrung by the current "NCLB" testing requirements) to develop those developing minds in a balanced, unbiased manner.

YOMV, obviously, and I fully expect to be flamed by you and the rest of the radical-conservative members. To all of you, I ask you to look deep for your motivations in this area...do you want your children to be able to deal with agendas/individuals of all persuasions, or do you want your children to have a "skewed" view, such as you, yourselves, do? I think the answer is obvious :uneasy:

Doug,

Much against popular assumption, children in the UK are taught critical thinking. :)


At the same time when asked they couldn't tell me what his qualifications were, but they all said he was a dynamic speaker.

Tom,


Not sure what you mean by "qualifications" and what your point is.
 
Doug,

Much against popular assumption, children in the UK are taught critical thinking. :)




Tom,


Not sure what you mean by "qualifications" and what your point is.
Pretty simple, Obama's qualifications (previous resume) to hold the office of President of the United States of America.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Here is part of an article that show the tecniques that Fox used to confuse the issue:

  1. Guilt by Association. This is a favorite of Glenn Beck and Andrew Breitbart, both of whom have used it to decimate the careers and lives of many good people. Here’s how it works: if your cousin’s <SPAN859952>college roommate</SPAN859952>’s uncle’s ex-wife attended a dinner party back in 1984 with Gorbachev’s niece’s ex-boyfriend’s sister, then you, by extension are a communist set on destroying America. Period.
  2. Diversion. This is where, when on the ropes, the media commentator suddenly takes the debate in a weird but predictable direction to avoid accountability. This is the point in the discussion where most Fox anchors start comparing the opponent to Saul Alinsky or invoking ACORN or Media Matters, in a desperate attempt to win through guilt by association. Or they’ll talk about wanting to focus on “moving forward,” as though by analyzing the current state of things or God forbid, how we got to this state of things, you have no regard for the future. Any attempt to bring the discussion back to the issue at hand will likely be called deflection, an ironic use of the technique of projection/flipping.
Tom is still spewing the Fox line. Although I think the part where he calls the majority of US voters STUPID RACISTS he made up himself.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
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Saul David Alinsky (January 30, 1909 – June 12, 1972) was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing and has been compared in Playboy magazine to Thomas Paine as being "one of the great American leaders of the nonsocialist left."<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-Playboy_0-0>[1]</SUP>
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<SUP>Tomm you are afraid of a community organizer, kind if like Jesus!</SUP>
 
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Carmel, California

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Saul David Alinsky (January 30, 1909 – June 12, 1972) was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing and has been compared in Playboy magazine to Thomas Paine as being "one of the great American leaders of the nonsocialist left."<SUP id=cite_ref-Playboy_0-0 class=reference>[1]</SUP>
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<SUP>Gee Tom, Playboy compares him to Thomas Paine the great American Patriot. </SUP>
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<SUP>Tomm you are afraid of a community organizer, kind if like Jesus!</SUP>

Author of Rules For Radicals, a rule book for the left. Don't stick to the subject, call names such as racist, etc. Organize the masses, etc.
So Jim, what were his qualifications to be President? Take your time, I've got plenty of time.

Sure kind of like a God taking a job beneath himself. What utter garbage.
 
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So Jim, what were his qualifications to be President? Take your time, I've got plenty of time.

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Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.


Seems he is qualified to me


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Tom,

My personal opinion is that you could not get to be President of the Unites States without leadership skills, however as is usual in these cases time will tell.

As you are obviously concerned here is some info on our youngest ever prime minister. Given your posts I suspect you and others may well have said what leadership qualities could a 24 year prove.

He did quite well, got us out of the pooh financially after we lost the American War of Independence" and decided to give you our country. So perhaps your concerns about lack or not of leadership skills are unfounded

William Pitt the Younger (28 May 1759 – 23 January 1806) was a British politician of the late 18th and early 19th centuries. He became the youngest Prime Minister in 1783 at the age of 24.

One of Pitt's most important accomplishments was a rehabilitation of the nation's finances after the American War of Independence. Pitt helped the Government manage the mounting national debt, Pitt sought to eliminate the national debt by imposing new taxes.

How times have changed!!!!
 
Tom,

My personal opinion is that you could not get to be President of the Unites States without leadership skills, however as is usual in these cases time will tell.

As you are obviously concerned here is some info on our youngest ever prime minister. Given your posts I suspect you and others may well have said what leadership qualities could a 24 year prove.

He did quite well, got us out of the pooh financially after we lost the American War of Independence" and decided to give you our country. So perhaps your concerns about lack or not of leadership skills are unfounded

William Pitt the Younger (28 May 1759 – 23 January 1806) was a British politician of the late 18th and early 19th centuries. He became the youngest Prime Minister in 1783 at the age of 24.

One of Pitt's most important accomplishments was a rehabilitation of the nation's finances after the American War of Independence. Pitt helped the Government manage the mounting national debt, Pitt sought to eliminate the national debt by imposing new taxes.

How times have changed!!!!

Big money buys elected office, and that is scary. Who would have thought that 1 billion dollars would be spent on an election. And we feign concern for the poor.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Tom, This is Obamas resume at the time he ran for President. He has added many new things like the Nobel Peace Prize and Killing Bin Laden. Tom, this appears to be a very very well qualified candidate.

BARACK H. OBAMA
PO Box 8102 Office 866.675.2008
Chicago, IL 60680 Obama for America | 2012
Contact Us | Obama for America | 2012
OBJECTIVE: President of the United States of America
"I'm asking you to believe. Not just in my ability to bring about real change in Washington … I'm asking you to believe in yours."
Advocate for decisive change and action to restore the political, economic, military and social landscape and dominance of the United States
as a global leader. Well-respected for political judgment, integrity, ethical behavior, passion and commitment to America's citizens.
Twice honored by Time magazine as one of the "100 Most Influential People in the World" (2005, 2007).
PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE:​

U.S. Senator
2005 to Present

State of Illinois,


Chicago, IL / Washington, DC

Elected to U.S. Senate to represent the citizens of the State of Illinois. Work across Democratic, Republican and Independent party
lines to develop, craft and pass legislative actions, bills and amendments to best serve the American people.


ENERGY. Active and highly visible proponent of alternative energy to reduce U.S. reliance on foreign nations.



Introduced American Fuels Act to increase domestic production of biofuels, expand manufacture of ethanol-capable

vehicles, offer tax credits to spur cellulosic fuel production and provide corporate incentives to expand green technologies.


Reintroduced Biofuels Security Act calling for 60B gallons of renewable biofuels in nation's vehicle fuel supply by 2030.



Architected Oil SENSE Act eliminating unnecessary oil industry tax breaks.



Sponsored FILL UP Act requiring oil companies with $1B+ in profits to invest a minimum of 1% in E-85 pumps (ethanol).



FOREIGN POLICY. Pioneered innovative legislative actions to protect the citizens of the U.S. and foreign nations.



One of the first legislators to recognize the dangers of potential avian influenza pandemic and secured $25M for U.S.

agencies working in Southeast Asia to combat and contain widespread disease outbreaks.


Created Darfur Peace and Accountability Act imposing sanctions for genocide and crimes against humanity.



Passed bipartisan amendment providing $13M for the Special Court of Sierra Leone to restore national justice.



Introduced Global Poverty Act, a comprehensive strategy to eliminate global poverty by 50% and achieve the Millennium

Development Goal of reducing the proportion of people worldwide who live on less than $1 per day.


HOMELAND SECURITY. Instrumental in successful passage of legislation to protect America and its citizens.



Facilitated Chemical Security and Safety Act establishing a clear set of federal safety and mitigation regulations.



Co-sponsored amendments to increase rail and transit security by $12B and extend Terrorism Risk Insurance Act.



Spearheaded development of Spent Nuclear Fuel Tracking and Accountability Act to control nuclear waste.



CRIME. Lifelong proponent of stricter criminal laws for both violent and non-violent crime.



Fought for passage of Combat Meth Act providing money to fight methamphetamine manufacture and use/abuse.



Championed laws to combat sex crimes against children, including Dru's Law (included in the larger Adam Walsh Child

Protection Act) and Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act (foundation for National Sex Offender Public Registry).


Co-sponsored Violence Against Women Act providing funding for domestic violence, sexual assault and stalking.



ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. Staunch advocate for passage of a host of environmental protection laws.



Co-sponsored Warming Pollution Reduction Act projected to reduce U.S. greenhouse gas emissions 80% by 2050.



Introduced Lead-Free Toys Act requiring Consumer Product Safety Commission to ban products containing lead.



Spearheaded Lead Poisoning Reduction Act requiring non-home-based child-care facilities be lead safe within 5 years

and establishing $42.6M grant program to help local communities pay to make these facilities safe.


FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY. Leader of numerous initiatives to reduce government spending and abuse.



Created Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act, resulting in an Internet search engine and database to

track hundreds of billions of dollars in federal grants, contracts, earmarks and loans.


Wrote amendment to require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, PACs or political parties for whom they collect funds.



Actively supported amendment to provide for transparency and accountability in military and security contracting.

BARACK H. OBAMA​


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Highlights of Senatorial Committee & Committee Leadership Appointments:


Chairman, Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Affairs



Member, Senate Foreign Relations Committee



Member, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs



Member, Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions



Member, Environmental and Public Works Committee



Member, Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs

State Senator


1997 to 2004

State of Illinois,


Chicago, IL

Won an intensely competitive Senatorial race. Partnered with Democrats, Republicans and Independents to pass favorable
legislation (e.g., education, health care, government spending, campaign finance, law enforcement).


Provided $100+ million in tax cuts to families over 3 years through legislative changes to state tax law.



Provided permanent health care coverage to 154,000 low-income residents (including 70,000 children).



Reformed the state's notorious death penalty laws to help prevent wrongful convictions.



Honored as a Keynote Speaker at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.

Associate Attorney


1993 to 2002

Davis, Miner & Barnhill,


Chicago, IL



Litigated employment discrimination, housing discrimination and voting rights cases.

TEACHING EXPERIENCE:
Lecturer / Senior Lecturer


1992 to 2004

University of Chicago Law School


Taught courses in General Law, Constitutional Law and Government Affairs.

GRASSROOTS ORGANIZING EXPERIENCE:


Planned and orchestrated grassroots effort targeting unregistered voters throughout the Chicago metro area. Resulted in


150,000 new African-American voters.



Improved living conditions in poor neighborhoods plagued with crime and high unemployment through work with a churchbased


group.

EDUCATION:
J.D., Magna Cum Laude, HARVARD LAW SCHOOL,


1991

President, Harvard Law Review


(first African-American ever elected)

B.A., Political Science, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY,


1983

PUBLICATIONS:


The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream, Crown Publishers, 2006



Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance, Times Books, 1995 (reprint 2004)


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Tom to that you can add that he convinced A majority of Americans that he would do a better job than McCain/Palin.

Does anyone out there think we would be better off under a McCain, Palin administration?
 
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Big money buys elected office, and that is scary. Who would have thought that 1 billion dollars would be spent on an election. And we feign concern for the poor.

Tom,

You may very well be right but that has been the case for some time, and has no real relevance to your question "what were his qualifications to be President".

For example if Winston Churchill had been elected by the most expensive election in English history would we argue it lessened his qualifications to be PM or his leadership ability?, Answer no.

Similarly as I understand, Obama has been elected by the most expensive election in the US so far, (the next one will no doubt cost more whoever wins). Does this lessen his or the next and future incumbents qualifications to be President or their leadership abilities?, Answer no.

Keith


Many a true word I just can't help must stop being a keybord warrior.
 
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